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hello and welcome to the show i'm martin

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willis your host and i'm in a

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business center in a hotel and hopefully

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it does have a lot you have to have a

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key to get in and it's very quiet here

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so hopefully we will not be disturbed

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um and you know i have to do things like

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somewhere else in the hotel

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if i don't get arrested throughout this

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show then uh we'll continue on

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and i have a great guest tonight um he's

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been involved with mufon tv

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started about three years ago ron james

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he'll be coming on in just a moment and

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uh i want to talk quickly about our blog

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our blog by uh charles lear charles

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actually

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drove to dave marlar's and uh scanned

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some documents

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and went through a bunch of uh papers

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and

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great blog

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um that actually one of my friends lee

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spiegel was involved in back in 1975 and

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it's known

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as uh the uf well i should say the title

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of the blog is called the ufo in

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lumberton north carolina

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i remember lee talking about it he

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called it the dorito ufo

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it was a triangle ufo in 1975. so when

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you hear a lot of people say these you

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know these triangle ufos there must be

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military

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or something like that well uh if they

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had what this

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uh technology displayed back in 1975

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where's it been all this time and how

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come nobody's ever talked about it

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that's one of the questions

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it's shown a light down uh on him and a

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bunch of police officers

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uh you know during this incident then

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another police officer

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spotted it uh far not that far away a

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few miles away as it was

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drifting and uh he got out of his car

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and he flashed his light at it his

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his spotlight and the light beam came

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down at him too and he was horrified

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it's quite a story so check it out again

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it's a ufo

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a ufo in lumberton north carolina by

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charles lear

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so um there as you have if you've been

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paying attention to ufos there's a heck

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of a lot going on

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as far as what the media is uh

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i'm i'm talking about the mainstream

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media is saying hey it's okay to talk

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about ufos now

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we're not going to get uh criticized

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it's not such a fringy thing to talk

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about there's really something to it the

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reports coming out any day

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that type of thing so um just about

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anywhere you look you'll see

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ufos in the news and i think we're

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living in a very interesting time and i

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uh person talk about the subject and he

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well there's scientists that are getting

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and there's uh you know people of you

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know academics

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you know getting involved and looking

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into this and then there are

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those people who have been looking into

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it uh for

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for quite a while and so uh categorize

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one of those people that's okay i don't

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but anyway uh let's start with our guest

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and bring him in now ron james welcome

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to the show

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hi martin long time no see thanks for

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having me on

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yeah i think what was it when were you

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on last was it 2015. i can't really

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right been a while i think it might have

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been right before

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mufon's secret space program um uh

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symposium in las vegas ah

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so um since it's been quite a while

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since you've been on

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and uh you you do have a lot of things

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going on can you

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introduce yourself and basically uh tell

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the listening audience

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a little bit about you some a little bit

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something about yourself

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sure well i'm ron james and i have uh

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been kind of dabbling in this field for

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a very long time i was uh

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brought in initially to produce the x

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conferences for stephen bassett as early

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and i have been a filmmaker and event

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producer in the field ever since

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i've won four ebe awards for my work on

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the disclosure dialogues which i

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filmed and produced i've won two ebe

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uh in association with jennifer stein

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for my work on travis the true story of

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travis walton

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and i have produced dx conferences uh

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all three years that since i came in and

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and stephen bassett produced the citizen

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which just had its eight-year

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i then started a mufon television as a

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joint venture with mufon

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and people say well why would you want

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to make that association

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and mufon is dedicated to the scientific

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understanding of this phenomenon for the

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betterment of humanity

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so i chose to make my alignment with

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them despite

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you know some of their challenges

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because of that reason and so that's

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where that's where my efforts have been

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focused in my new show

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space time you can see on mufon tv and

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you can also see my show

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bigger questions on amazon prime

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excellent well um i i have a lot of

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respect for jennifer

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she does a wonderful job in in her work

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person and i really liked the travis

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and so what what part did you play in

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um i was brought in toward the end we

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did the reenactments

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uh sequences and then i did the second

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production tasks throughout the film we

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that i think um is you know so solid in

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you know the story has never changed of

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the criticism um you know but i really

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that is yeah i mean i know they made a

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movie of it they made it you know kind

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and i know jennifer's working on a

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sequel basically

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um to this or she said she was and we're

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but uh yeah it's like an addendum travis

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and we talked at length about fire in

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the sky and the possibility of doing a

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the steampunk aliens is really what

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stuck in travis's craw the most

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is because he understands that there has

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to be some dramatic license

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but it was a little over the top and um

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so yeah he'd like to see the movie

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remade and he'd like to have a lot more

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know for air or whatever breathing or

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whatever it was

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know didn't communicate in any type of

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and uh just the whole thing is just so

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bizarre that they're mixed in with other

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beings of whatever whoever they were we

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whole thing for the travis documentary

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amazon travis walton what happened to me

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interview with travis that not very many

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quite a bit of action going on and what

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well you know it's like that old song

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meet the old boss same as the old boss

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meet the new boss same as the old boss

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that as hopeful as we're getting and

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uh somewhat optimistic that we're going

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uh this whole thing's been done before

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saw stuff that it didn't know what it

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about it that you can see on space time

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i think that what we're dealing with

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right now is there's some circumstances

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that are forcing them to confront this

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we don't know exactly what those

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circumstances

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are uh a lot of people are venturing

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guesses

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so we're holding out hope that we're

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going to get confirmation of a non-human

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but even louis elizondo is starting to

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tamp down those expectations

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so what are we going to get in june

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i hope it's not a big nothing burger but

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i'm going to be surprised if it's a

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sandwich with filet mignon well yeah

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you know i have to agree with you

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because you know if you look at the

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of what's happened in ufos there's been

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times when uh you know there was talk

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oh this is it you know this is the big

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one you know it's all gonna

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you know uh it's all gonna come forth

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but you know hey you never know um you

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uh chris mellon posted an article up on

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on twitter and i forget who it was

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a physicist that wrote uh you know like

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there's really nothing to it nothing to

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the videos because

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and you know blah blah blah and

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uh you know that's always the this i

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understand

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skepticism but

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um but i also think that if someone

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wants an answer they should

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look for answers and not look to just

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discount everything right off

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right off the bat well you know i think

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we we really do need to be skeptical

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especially in the situation now let's

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take a minute and just

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analyze what it is that we have actually

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been shown at the end of the day it's

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three videos

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that there's a lot of talk around these

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videos witnesses

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uh you know from the navy and stuff that

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louis said that indicate that there's

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other videos

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and that these things were seen doing

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other things but these three videos

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uh are generally inconclusive and there

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has been some debunking of these videos

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and

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for that they have a point

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so if we're being told that there's a

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lot more but we haven't seen it

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and then these recent videos that were

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released through jeremy corbell

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they show something but i've never heard

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of a ufo that needed running lights so i

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don't know

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what we're seeing there and so i think

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that

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to be optimistic

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what we've actually been given is

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inconclusive at best

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and there's a lot of other situations

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popping up with uh with navy patents

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that were issued with

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rumors of other technology that

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we you know we could very possibly be in

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for a bit of a letdown

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but i have other reasons to think that

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um i don't know if you want to elaborate

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on those or not

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but um one of the things

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yeah go ahead if you'd like you want to

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elaborate on that

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well what you think there may be

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something more to it

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well i think there's definitely

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something more to it obviously anybody

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that's been in this field for any length

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of time

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has an understanding from the

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preponderance of evidence

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just like we presented at the citizen

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hearing on disclosure this was

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it was always said that if you could put

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all the evidence from credible witnesses

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in front of a jury so

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to speak and they were to weigh it like

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a jury would

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any normal jury would find in favor of

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the existence of a non-human

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intelligence

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engaging the human race and that's what

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we did with the citizen hearing on

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disclosure we put it in front of

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ex-congress people

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and they were all moved by the evidence

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and definitely felt that there was

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something there

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that seemed to indicate that that was a

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big possibility which was a lot of

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that that was a lot of traction at the

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time so now we have

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the witness testimony and especially a

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lot of the stuff that's come from lou

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you had kind of have to read between the

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lines and you have to look through a lot

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of his interviews

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to really understand what he's saying

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he's been very very hesitant to come out

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and just

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openly embrace the idea that yes these

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are extraterrestrial they're not ours

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but toward the end of season two of

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unidentified

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they were really moving in that

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direction and they were also moving in

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the direction

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of these are potentially

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extraterrestrial

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and they are not a threat and i know a

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lot of people out there think that this

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is a big

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false flag trying to establish a threat

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and get funding for milita the

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militarization of space

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i'm not sure i buy into that i hope

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that's not the case and i know lou

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doesn't buy into it he doesn't want

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anything to do with that kind of

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narrative

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so if you read between the lines of

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what's being said by the credible people

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they've all been admitted it and i told

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you i was going to make a big

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announcement

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on the show i have video of

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um an interview that i did with lou that

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i have not released

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that is going to be part of an upcoming

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film on mufon television

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and he pretty much admits that there is

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a they

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so that is what i talk about when i when

402
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i say that i've i've seen and heard

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things that make me optimistic

404
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yeah how about that and that's something

405
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um now

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the uh the intelligence committee the

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senate intelligence committee

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overseeing um this whole

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report that's supposed to be out uh

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fairly soon or you know was

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uh going to be out i'm not sure if it

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will or will not

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um one thing i've been wondering about

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is what type of access will they have

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will they have

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access to a top secret classified

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say the rest of the footage or other

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footage that is

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uh being guarded as far as the top

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secret

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um you know classification do you happen

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to know if they'll have

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uh access to these things i mean it

424
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seems like that would be the way to

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really answer

426
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part of the question or get more

427
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information

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well they're supposed to have access to

429
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everything the the

430
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the defense department is supposed to

431
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open the books

432
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uh are they going to do that we've

433
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already heard a lot of

434
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rumblings from having our ear to the

435
00:15:11,990 --> 00:15:10,079
railroad tracks that there's a big war

436
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going on inside the defense department

437
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about what they're going to release and

438
00:15:17,030 --> 00:15:14,959
what they're not going to release but

439
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inside the confidential hearings

440
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to congress that may remain classified

441
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they're supposed to lay it out

442
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and if they're really going to do that

443
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they have a lot of explaining to do

444
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so it's going to be very interesting to

445
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see how it pans out now

446
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as far as what is released in an

447
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unclassified manner

448
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there's a lot they have a lot more

449
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control over that they can classify

450
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anything they want

451
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so they can

452
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not release all of the information and

453
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get away with it but behind closed doors

454
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they're supposed to

455
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story and um

456
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you know like ricky used to say to lucy

457
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you got some splain in the duel

458
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because this has been going on for a

459
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really long time and somebody needs to

460
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fess up

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and i think the problem is that they

462
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still have

463
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the need to uh not have accountability

464
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for the fact that this thing has been a

465
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cover-up and a lie going back before

466
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roswell

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one of the things that's really

468
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concerning me is that i've seen the

469
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players

470
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basically seize the narrative and the

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new narrative is

472
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you know the back in 2004 we started

473
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atip and that's when we really started

474
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thinking about it paying attention to it

475
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and then you know then we got the tic

476
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tac videos they're telling a whole new

477
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story

478
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field knows that this is not the

479
00:16:34,629 --> 00:16:32,560
accurate story it is not the truth it is

480
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not how long this has been going on

481
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and we're just we're just being lied to

482
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by an official narrative

483
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again so i hope that after they get this

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first set of facts out we will be able

485
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to revisit the past and we will get to

486
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the bottom of what happened at roswell

487
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we'll get to the bottom of what the uh

488
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catholic church has in its archives

489
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you know there's a lot of answers they

490
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owe us and i'm very very concerned right

491
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now that they're just going to whitewash

492
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that away

493
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yeah well you know i mean there's i

494
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don't know what type of you know

495
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one of the questions i had when i uh

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interviewed um

497
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lou elizondo was you know basically why

498
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why not look into the old cases and

499
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he said that it had to do with the

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technology and the updated technology

501
00:17:21,750 --> 00:17:21,280
you can get so much uh better data from

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it

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and so i i do get that but i mean you go

504
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back to uh grunge you know project blue

505
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book and

506
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and um what was the other one uh but

507
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i mean yeah right so it's been studied

508
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for a long time

509
00:17:38,470 --> 00:17:36,880
and um you know i've i've said probably

510
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too many times in the show

511
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perhaps they don't have any idea and

512
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perhaps

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they still may not have much of an idea

514
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of what it is but still

515
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uh to claim that they can't protect us

516
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or protect the skies from whatever it is

517
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or do not know whatever it is

518
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is uh probably the reason for the

519
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cover-up you know

520
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just just an opinion here well you know

521
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there's a lot of

522
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debate about why the cover-up has

523
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occurred uh it could be

524
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you know anything from protecting the

525
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technology to the fact that there's a

526
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a real threat or there's something that

527
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we really would be better off not

528
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knowing

529
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or that you know they just didn't think

530
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that society was ready for it it's going

531
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to accept that world economics

532
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it will it'll upset a lot of stuff um

533
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there used to be a belief that it would

534
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uh interfere with mainstream religion i

535
00:18:27,909 --> 00:18:25,919
don't think that's really true anymore i

536
00:18:29,430 --> 00:18:27,919
think the catholic church has sort of

537
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opened the door

538
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so that if the extraterrestrial presence

539
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is acknowledged they're going to be able

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to

541
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so that's good

542
00:18:41,990 --> 00:18:40,559
but there is no denying that this has

543
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been a secret for a really long

544
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time and there's pretty good evidence a

545
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la

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an mj-12 type of group being formed that

547
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this has been being managed by people

548
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that have accountability to no one

549
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and are going to do whatever they have

550
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to do to keep the secret

551
00:19:01,029 --> 00:18:59,200
so the fact that the faces of

552
00:19:02,630 --> 00:19:01,039
the disclosure situation we're getting

553
00:19:05,350 --> 00:19:02,640
now are really

554
00:19:06,630 --> 00:19:05,360
a lot of people who know a lot more than

555
00:19:10,390 --> 00:19:06,640
they're telling

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and are part of that same apparatus

557
00:19:13,510 --> 00:19:12,080
at least on a surface level that has

558
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kept this secret

559
00:19:17,270 --> 00:19:15,840
this whole time a lot of people have a

560
00:19:18,870 --> 00:19:17,280
problem with that

561
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i think unfortunately it's what we're

562
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getting so we're just gonna have to sit

563
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back and

564
00:19:29,430 --> 00:19:25,280
watch it unfold now uh as you said the

565
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i just wonder how it could be explained

566
00:19:37,350 --> 00:19:36,080
you know like how could they uh you know

567
00:19:40,470 --> 00:19:37,360
i mean you have to think

568
00:19:43,669 --> 00:19:40,480
how would the government uh react to

569
00:19:44,230 --> 00:19:43,679
like if uh let's just say that it came

570
00:19:47,350 --> 00:19:44,240
out that

571
00:19:49,669 --> 00:19:47,360
yes we are being visited uh by

572
00:19:51,350 --> 00:19:49,679
extraterrestrials let's just say that

573
00:19:53,029 --> 00:19:51,360
how would they and and that they knew

574
00:19:55,510 --> 00:19:53,039
about it and they covered it up

575
00:19:57,110 --> 00:19:55,520
um how could they ever explain that i

576
00:19:59,029 --> 00:19:57,120
mean

577
00:20:00,230 --> 00:19:59,039
what would you think that's the thing

578
00:20:02,950 --> 00:20:00,240
they really can't

579
00:20:04,549 --> 00:20:02,960
and and so instead their strategy is to

580
00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:04,559
whitewash as much of that away as they

581
00:20:08,630 --> 00:20:05,760
possibly can

582
00:20:09,590 --> 00:20:08,640
the et disclosure story the way it's

583
00:20:11,270 --> 00:20:09,600
being told now

584
00:20:12,950 --> 00:20:11,280
really officially started somewhat

585
00:20:14,789 --> 00:20:12,960
recently until then

586
00:20:16,470 --> 00:20:14,799
i interviewed john alexander and i asked

587
00:20:19,190 --> 00:20:16,480
him some of this stuff point blank

588
00:20:21,110 --> 00:20:19,200
and i've interviewed john several times

589
00:20:22,390 --> 00:20:21,120
and he said well you know there was like

590
00:20:23,510 --> 00:20:22,400
something happened to roswell but there

591
00:20:24,470 --> 00:20:23,520
wasn't a whole lot of people that

592
00:20:25,990 --> 00:20:24,480
interested in it

593
00:20:28,310 --> 00:20:26,000
and we'd have these little isolated

594
00:20:30,390 --> 00:20:28,320
incidents but there was never this big

595
00:20:31,510 --> 00:20:30,400
uh operation to pay attention to the

596
00:20:34,549 --> 00:20:31,520
topic it just never

597
00:20:37,110 --> 00:20:34,559
materialized inside the military and you

598
00:20:39,669 --> 00:20:37,120
know really that defies common sense

599
00:20:41,510 --> 00:20:39,679
we have the military we have the these

600
00:20:42,710 --> 00:20:41,520
mines that are supposed to be dedicated

601
00:20:45,750 --> 00:20:42,720
to maintaining

602
00:20:46,549 --> 00:20:45,760
optimal defense it just makes no sense

603
00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:46,559
to me that

604
00:20:50,549 --> 00:20:48,480
they would ignore this this topic for as

605
00:20:52,070 --> 00:20:50,559
long as they have and these same craft

606
00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:52,080
that we're seeing now

607
00:20:56,070 --> 00:20:54,960
we've been seeing those craft for years

608
00:20:57,669 --> 00:20:56,080
i just did a report

609
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:57,679
you can see it on youtube mufon's

610
00:21:02,230 --> 00:21:00,480
channel about um bruce mcabee in his

611
00:21:04,149 --> 00:21:02,240
investigation with jail and heineken of

612
00:21:07,029 --> 00:21:04,159
a 1978 sighting

613
00:21:08,549 --> 00:21:07,039
that was videotaped shown on radar had

614
00:21:11,110 --> 00:21:08,559
the same kind of craft

615
00:21:12,549 --> 00:21:11,120
uh that we're seeing now in these videos

616
00:21:15,669 --> 00:21:12,559
um able to perform

617
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:15,679
really fast maneuvers no wings even the

618
00:21:19,669 --> 00:21:18,799
kenneth arnold sighting was very similar

619
00:21:21,110 --> 00:21:19,679
to this

620
00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:21,120
so this has been going on for a long

621
00:21:26,310 --> 00:21:23,600
time and these craft have been doing

622
00:21:28,390 --> 00:21:26,320
basically the same thing for a long time

623
00:21:30,630 --> 00:21:28,400
and to think that they have not had

624
00:21:31,750 --> 00:21:30,640
a solid investigative body trying to get

625
00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:31,760
to the bottom of it

626
00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:33,600
is ludicrous it's just absolutely

627
00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:35,200
ludicrous and

628
00:21:38,789 --> 00:21:36,960
so what i what i what i've come to

629
00:21:40,870 --> 00:21:38,799
believe is that this

630
00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:40,880
information in this secret was

631
00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:42,240
sequestered away

632
00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:44,960
managed by a very elite very select

633
00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:45,600
group

634
00:21:49,590 --> 00:21:48,080
that over time got deeper and deeper

635
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:49,600
into its own shadows

636
00:21:52,390 --> 00:21:50,880
to the point where there's only a few

637
00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:52,400
people at the defense department that

638
00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:54,240
are read into the reality of

639
00:21:58,230 --> 00:21:56,480
everything everybody else is in the dark

640
00:21:59,669 --> 00:21:58,240
even at the highest levels

641
00:22:02,230 --> 00:21:59,679
and this group is pretty much

642
00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:02,240
accountable to no one and so

643
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:04,480
if we're going to be told something i

644
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:06,000
believe it's going to be this very same

645
00:22:08,070 --> 00:22:07,200
group that decides what we're going to

646
00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:08,080
be told

647
00:22:12,070 --> 00:22:09,679
and i think that that is what we're

648
00:22:14,549 --> 00:22:12,080
seeing right now even though the people

649
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:14,559
that are on tv talking are not really

650
00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:15,360
aware

651
00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:17,360
of of how their narrative is being

652
00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:18,559
shaped and controlled

653
00:22:25,990 --> 00:22:22,720
absolutely believe that

654
00:22:29,990 --> 00:22:26,000
do you think that um there's

655
00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:30,000
oh i want to say like a a custody of

656
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:31,440
when you talk about a small amount of

657
00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:33,280
people so would they

658
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:35,280
have that information that they'd passed

659
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:36,880
down to

660
00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:38,720
another generation you know because this

661
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:40,480
has been going on for generations how

662
00:22:44,710 --> 00:22:42,000
would that work

663
00:22:45,029 --> 00:22:44,720
well you know imagine that men in black

664
00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:45,039
the

665
00:22:51,669 --> 00:22:50,320
organization that is dedicated to this

666
00:22:53,190 --> 00:22:51,679
they answer to nobody they have

667
00:22:55,190 --> 00:22:53,200
unlimited resources

668
00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:55,200
and and they operate probably under some

669
00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:57,840
kind of global treaty because

670
00:23:02,310 --> 00:22:59,840
we've seen the secret basically be

671
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:02,320
sequestered and managed in the same way

672
00:23:06,390 --> 00:23:04,320
and there is some evidence out there

673
00:23:08,149 --> 00:23:06,400
that this group is pretty much managing

674
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:08,159
it on a worldwide basis

675
00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:10,640
and so when you when you think about

676
00:23:12,549 --> 00:23:11,200
that

677
00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:12,559
and you compare it even though it's kind

678
00:23:14,789 --> 00:23:14,320
of funny to compare it to a comedy but

679
00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:14,799
then

680
00:23:19,110 --> 00:23:17,840
you know we look at movies and some of

681
00:23:20,549 --> 00:23:19,120
the subject matter like

682
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:20,559
close encounters of the third kind

683
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:23,760
supposedly from the eisenhower event

684
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:26,159
we find a lot more uh truth that is

685
00:23:33,029 --> 00:23:31,270
right right uh someone posted this

686
00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:33,039
question he's trying to find your show

687
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:35,039
he has no clue where to find it

688
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:37,200
except the eclipse for old show so how

689
00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:39,120
can they find your show

690
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:40,720
um the new one i'm doing right now is

691
00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:42,720
called space time if you go to mufon's

692
00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:43,360
uh

693
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:45,760
youtube channel you can find it there

694
00:23:48,830 --> 00:23:46,960
and then if you subscribe right behind

695
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:48,840
you right

696
00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:51,679
yes i've been doing a lot of different

697
00:23:54,310 --> 00:23:53,200
formats trying to come up with something

698
00:23:56,549 --> 00:23:54,320
that i like and

699
00:23:58,549 --> 00:23:56,559
uh space time is basically i research

700
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:58,559
the articles i write the stories

701
00:24:01,830 --> 00:24:00,240
i do the on-camera work i do the

702
00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:01,840
graphics i mean the whole nine yards

703
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:02,880
it's like a one-man

704
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:04,799
operation that's a format that i'm

705
00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:06,320
really happy with so there's a few

706
00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:08,720
of the premiere episodes on mufon's

707
00:24:11,789 --> 00:24:10,480
youtube channel

708
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:11,799
and then if you go to mufon

709
00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:14,240
television.com

710
00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:16,240
forward slash space time there's a few

711
00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:17,520
productions there

712
00:24:21,269 --> 00:24:19,760
and then you can see an entire season of

713
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:21,279
bigger questions where i interview like

714
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:23,279
richard dolan stanton friedman

715
00:24:27,269 --> 00:24:25,200
linda molten howe all of that is

716
00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:27,279
available on amazon prime

717
00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:29,520
just look ron james bigger questions and

718
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:31,360
you can find those episodes

719
00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:32,640
and then there's a whole bunch more

720
00:24:37,350 --> 00:24:34,480
buried in the in the past on

721
00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:37,360
youtube and just all over the place yeah

722
00:24:40,950 --> 00:24:38,000
yeah

723
00:24:42,149 --> 00:24:40,960
um so when you when you're talking about

724
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:42,159
earlier you mentioned

725
00:24:45,750 --> 00:24:44,080
about you know it is good to be skeptic

726
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:45,760
and i i do agree you know to

727
00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:48,480
to a point um you know kind of can cr

728
00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:50,000
kind of cross the line

729
00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:53,440
um perhaps into um

730
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:55,360
you know people think you're debunking

731
00:25:00,149 --> 00:24:56,640
if you're just trying to find

732
00:25:02,230 --> 00:25:00,159
the answer um so i know that

733
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:02,240
i saw somewhere where you were talking

734
00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:04,320
about the meta materials or the

735
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:07,360
the possible crash materials um

736
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:09,440
how comfortable are you with that whole

737
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:10,559
um

738
00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:12,480
that whole situation well you know

739
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:14,240
there's a lot of debate about that and

740
00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:17,039
and what i've found in my investigation

741
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:18,320
is that

742
00:25:22,549 --> 00:25:19,919
a lot of that debate comes from the way

743
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:22,559
anthony bergalia interpreted what he got

744
00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:25,200
and and built it up into the story that

745
00:25:28,870 --> 00:25:26,799
not everybody agrees with

746
00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:28,880
but we're left with certain facts that

747
00:25:32,310 --> 00:25:30,640
are hard to refute and if you watch the

748
00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:32,320
report you can see it on

749
00:25:36,149 --> 00:25:34,320
mufon's youtube channel just look up

750
00:25:41,830 --> 00:25:36,159
materials

751
00:25:42,630 --> 00:25:41,840
the the defense intelligence agency

752
00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:42,640
released

753
00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:46,240
154 pages of reports uh about

754
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:49,919
what's called meta materials now

755
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:52,240
what was contained in those reports is

756
00:25:55,990 --> 00:25:54,320
descriptions of materials that

757
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:56,000
we really don't know what they how how

758
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:57,840
to make them we don't know what they do

759
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:59,120
and it's very clear in reading the

760
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:00,960
reports that they're speculating

761
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:03,840
about what they may possibly do so that

762
00:26:06,549 --> 00:26:05,200
i found that very interesting and then

763
00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:06,559
when i started digging a little bit

764
00:26:09,830 --> 00:26:07,440
deeper

765
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:09,840
um i found that the uh you know one of

766
00:26:14,789 --> 00:26:11,039
the materials is called

767
00:26:16,230 --> 00:26:14,799
nitinol which is a memory retaining

768
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:16,240
shape-shifting alloy

769
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:18,480
now people are like well that sounds

770
00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:20,080
like what they found at roswell

771
00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:22,400
but nitinol actually has a history and

772
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:23,600
the history of nitinol

773
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:26,400
is that it was discovered through

774
00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:27,520
synchronicity

775
00:26:33,510 --> 00:26:31,120
in a naval weapons laboratory in 1959

776
00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:33,520
um and you could buy this stuff all over

777
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:34,480
the place now it's

778
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:36,960
it's a shape-shifting memory retaining

779
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:38,880
metal alloy it doesn't do the

780
00:26:42,789 --> 00:26:40,559
exaggerated things that you

781
00:26:44,789 --> 00:26:42,799
hear about the roswell metal doing but

782
00:26:47,909 --> 00:26:44,799
it but it does similar stuff

783
00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:47,919
so just the pedigree of this material

784
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:50,000
if you believe like the corso theory is

785
00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:52,080
not necessarily philip corso himself but

786
00:26:54,630 --> 00:26:53,679
the idea that if they found alien

787
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:54,640
technology

788
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:56,240
they would port it to industry for

789
00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:58,320
development then the fact that

790
00:27:01,669 --> 00:27:00,080
uh you know a few years after the

791
00:27:03,029 --> 00:27:01,679
roswell incident we all of a sudden come

792
00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:03,039
up with this stuff out of a naval

793
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:04,960
weapons research lab

794
00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:07,120
kind of suspicious but then the other

795
00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:08,000
materials

796
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:10,880
that were listed in this there is they

797
00:27:13,990 --> 00:27:12,480
don't even know what the stuff does

798
00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:14,000
at the very end they're like yes these

799
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:15,919
things may be very very useful

800
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:20,559
in uh in aerospace they've got

801
00:27:24,389 --> 00:27:22,559
metals that that exhibit a tunable

802
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:24,399
frequency that was probably made at the

803
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:26,000
time they manufactured it

804
00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:28,080
they've got metals that actually

805
00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:29,039
condense

806
00:27:32,470 --> 00:27:31,120
electromagnetic energy for better data

807
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:32,480
storage but they don't know how to make

808
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:32,880
it

809
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:37,200
gal from the pentagon

810
00:27:43,029 --> 00:27:40,240
tried to walk this back and she said

811
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:43,039
this stuff has nothing to do with ufos

812
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:43,679
but

813
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:46,080
uh it has a it has to do with uh naval

814
00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:48,000
weapons research that we're doing

815
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:50,480
and the problem with that is that mr

816
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:52,320
bergalia's freedom of information act

817
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:53,200
request

818
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:56,000
specifically said i want you to send me

819
00:27:59,269 --> 00:27:57,120
information

820
00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:59,279
on debris that was recovered by the

821
00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:00,720
department of defense

822
00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:03,760
shot off of ufos or unidentified aerial

823
00:28:07,269 --> 00:28:04,799
phenomenon

824
00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:07,279
and taken to bigelow aerospace among

825
00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:08,799
others to be studied

826
00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:10,720
so the defense intelligence agency is

827
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:12,159
not just going to throw you a bunch of

828
00:28:16,870 --> 00:28:14,159
stuff that has nothing to do with that

829
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:16,880
so the fact that it was returned under

830
00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:18,240
those very specific

831
00:28:22,230 --> 00:28:20,320
requests points to the fact that

832
00:28:24,549 --> 00:28:22,240
somewhere there's a

833
00:28:27,510 --> 00:28:24,559
an unknown origin to these materials and

834
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:27,520
then it gets even better

835
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:29,279
george knapp interviews robert bigelow

836
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:30,640
right around the same time i was working

837
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:31,840
on this report

838
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:33,840
now we know that bigelow aerospace was

839
00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:35,600
part of atip and we've already heard

840
00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:36,320
that they had

841
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:38,399
possession of of materials it's not even

842
00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:39,440
a secret

843
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:41,360
but in the interview with george knapp

844
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:43,120
robert bigelow denies

845
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:44,799
that he ever laid eyes on any of these

846
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:46,960
materials and then goes right on after

847
00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:47,279
that

848
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:55,039
stranger and stranger when the pentagon

849
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:56,480
tries to walk it back in such a

850
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:58,960
ludicrous manner um

851
00:29:02,389 --> 00:29:00,720
i've been attacked by some people for

852
00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:02,399
for this story i don't think they've

853
00:29:05,909 --> 00:29:04,240
watched the whole video because i s

854
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:05,919
to this moment i stand by my

855
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:07,600
investigation on that matter and

856
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:10,960
i think it's a great report now how

857
00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:13,760
um you say that they can look at this

858
00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:15,919
material but they don't know how

859
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:19,039
it could be made how how far

860
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:22,720
down can they look i mean the sub

861
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:26,799
sub atomic level i mean

862
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:28,399
they can't understand how it was

863
00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:30,399
produced that that's kind of

864
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:33,200
well here's what it says in the reports

865
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:35,760
it's 154 pages of summary

866
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:38,159
about the materials its properties it

867
00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:40,399
does not describe how it's manufactured

868
00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:42,720
and it doesn't describe why it would be

869
00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:43,840
manufactured

870
00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:47,120
i i can't make the assumption

871
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:49,520
that they don't know too much about

872
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:51,120
about that because

873
00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:52,559
it doesn't say that in the in the

874
00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:54,399
request and then the reports

875
00:29:58,389 --> 00:29:56,799
but if they have a way of manufacturing

876
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:58,399
it it seems like they would

877
00:30:01,750 --> 00:29:59,760
mention that when they're talking about

878
00:30:02,710 --> 00:30:01,760
the analysis of the materials and what

879
00:30:04,870 --> 00:30:02,720
it does

880
00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:04,880
um and then there's not a single

881
00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:05,919
material

882
00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:08,320
of the of the four there's the nitinol

883
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:09,760
and then there's three more

884
00:30:12,789 --> 00:30:11,840
uh there's not a single one where they

885
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:12,799
actually

886
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:14,960
stay this is this is why we made it this

887
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:16,320
is what it's good for this is what we're

888
00:30:20,549 --> 00:30:17,440
going to use it for

889
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:20,559
it's all about the potential uses of

890
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:22,080
this material and what it may

891
00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:25,200
potentially do and so it seems to me

892
00:30:28,470 --> 00:30:26,159
that if you get to the point where you

893
00:30:30,149 --> 00:30:28,480
can manufacture a material

894
00:30:31,590 --> 00:30:30,159
then you should have a pretty good idea

895
00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:31,600
why you manufactured it and you should

896
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:32,960
have a pretty good idea of what you were

897
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:34,320
trying to achieve

898
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:37,200
as far as its capabilities so you know

899
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:38,960
you kind of put two and two together in

900
00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:39,360
that

901
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:42,000
and it just doesn't add up you know one

902
00:30:44,549 --> 00:30:42,720
of the things i

903
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:44,559
i think has always been kind of puzzling

904
00:30:47,430 --> 00:30:45,840
when it comes to roswell and the

905
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:47,440
material there is

906
00:30:50,789 --> 00:30:49,360
if that material was was so

907
00:30:52,870 --> 00:30:50,799
indestructible

908
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:52,880
how could it have blown to a billion

909
00:30:57,509 --> 00:30:54,960
bits all over the place

910
00:30:59,909 --> 00:30:57,519
you know uh they found little pieces of

911
00:31:01,350 --> 00:30:59,919
it and but yet they couldn't

912
00:31:03,190 --> 00:31:01,360
they couldn't destroy it or they

913
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:03,200
couldn't cut it or anything and

914
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:06,159
uh but the material that you're talking

915
00:31:08,789 --> 00:31:07,039
about

916
00:31:10,950 --> 00:31:08,799
what are some of the properties that are

917
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:10,960
similar to what they were talking about

918
00:31:16,389 --> 00:31:14,159
and as far as uh you said that it it

919
00:31:19,269 --> 00:31:16,399
will reshape itself is that is that the

920
00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:19,279
main thing yeah it's a memory

921
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:22,159
memory retaining shape-shifting alloy

922
00:31:25,990 --> 00:31:23,919
and what it's being used for now

923
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:26,000
is in medical devices you know like they

924
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:26,960
put it in

925
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:29,840
uh in stints and things like that and it

926
00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:32,159
has the ability to flex out of shape

927
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:34,159
and then go back to the back to its

928
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:36,320
original shape so it's so in situations

929
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:37,840
where you need something that's flexible

930
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:38,880
but durable

931
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:40,799
uh nitinol does the trick so it's got a

932
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:42,720
lot of industrial applications i'm not a

933
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:45,120
i'm not an expert on it but

934
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:47,039
it is out there and and certainly it

935
00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:48,480
doesn't live up to the legends of the

936
00:31:51,990 --> 00:31:49,760
roswell material

937
00:31:53,190 --> 00:31:52,000
and as you just said uh that's a that's

938
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:53,200
a really good

939
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:55,279
um question about the roswell material

940
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:56,480
maybe something

941
00:32:01,110 --> 00:31:59,440
maybe it's impervious to some types of

942
00:32:02,470 --> 00:32:01,120
activity and maybe it's not impervious

943
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:02,480
to others

944
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:04,799
yeah maybe something like an electrical

945
00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:07,200
charge of a lightning storm somehow

946
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:09,200
could have done something you know but

947
00:32:12,070 --> 00:32:10,720
that that wouldn't really make that much

948
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:12,080
sense either since it

949
00:32:15,909 --> 00:32:14,720
always goes on the outer the outer of

950
00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:15,919
all metals like

951
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:18,000
uh that's why you're safe in a car and

952
00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:20,320
the tesla was safe in the cage

953
00:32:26,230 --> 00:32:23,360
um you know when when lightning or

954
00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:26,240
or a bolt of power hits it it just

955
00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:28,320
travels on the outside so it's

956
00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:31,279
another unlikely thing yeah and you know

957
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:33,120
in the report i'm not saying that

958
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:35,279
that i have signed off on the idea that

959
00:32:37,909 --> 00:32:36,960
these are extraterrestrial materials

960
00:32:39,509 --> 00:32:37,919
retrieved

961
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:39,519
but i am pointing out that that's what

962
00:32:42,070 --> 00:32:40,880
was asked for in the freedom of

963
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:42,080
information act request

964
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:43,919
he didn't ask for reports about

965
00:32:47,190 --> 00:32:45,600
materials that were being studied

966
00:32:48,870 --> 00:32:47,200
and developed by the department of

967
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:48,880
defense he specifically asked for

968
00:32:53,590 --> 00:32:50,480
materials it came from

969
00:32:57,509 --> 00:32:53,600
residue flotsam shot off debris

970
00:32:59,909 --> 00:32:57,519
along those lines from ufos or uaps

971
00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:59,919
so why send him a report about something

972
00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:01,440
that doesn't match that he would just

973
00:33:04,470 --> 00:33:03,200
say we have no record of any of those

974
00:33:07,509 --> 00:33:04,480
types of materials

975
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:07,519
so somewhere somebody decided to let

976
00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:08,640
this stuff out

977
00:33:12,549 --> 00:33:10,720
and i really urge everybody go to

978
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:12,559
mufon's youtube channel it's all free of

979
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:13,120
course and

980
00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:16,320
and you can see the uh the dia material

981
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:16,880
story

982
00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:18,480
and kind of make up your own mind what

983
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:20,320
you think

984
00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:23,519
uh you know the i know shock valet

985
00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:26,559
is and paola harris is out harry is out

986
00:33:30,549 --> 00:33:27,440
there

987
00:33:32,789 --> 00:33:30,559
um with a new book on trinity and

988
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:32,799
uh that's a case i haven't really looked

989
00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:34,480
into all that much

990
00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:37,120
uh only because i thought i thought that

991
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:38,880
was proven as a hoax

992
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:40,559
so i was kind of shocked about that i

993
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:43,360
mean uh i do have any have you ever

994
00:33:48,549 --> 00:33:44,799
looked into that case

995
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:48,559
1945 no not beyond just what i've heard

996
00:33:51,509 --> 00:33:50,000
and you know the thing is if something

997
00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:51,519
is really

998
00:33:55,269 --> 00:33:54,320
quote unquote established as a hoax then

999
00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:55,279
you have a bigger

1000
00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:58,000
bar to uh to jump over when you're

1001
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:59,840
trying to document it as a legitimate

1002
00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:00,480
case

1003
00:34:04,149 --> 00:34:03,120
i think that the uh the number people

1004
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:04,159
are running out of cases

1005
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:05,519
you know at the end of the day there's

1006
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:06,960
only so many of them that are out there

1007
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:08,560
and if we can recycle one and

1008
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:11,919
and make it relevant today why not

1009
00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:13,679
so revisiting cases like this there's

1010
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:15,599
nothing wrong with it but

1011
00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:17,040
at this point in time i think we need to

1012
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:18,800
be looking forward

1013
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:22,320
yeah yeah uh a question on

1014
00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:24,800
mufon mufon has had some bumps in the

1015
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:25,760
road

1016
00:34:32,829 --> 00:34:28,800
um the last several years

1017
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:32,839
um how is mufon doing these days

1018
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:36,159
well i decided to

1019
00:34:40,149 --> 00:34:37,919
associate with mufon i can't speak for

1020
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:40,159
them i i do own half of mufon television

1021
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:41,839
mufon owns the other half

1022
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:43,679
that's our business arrangement but i'm

1023
00:34:47,270 --> 00:34:45,839
not a i'm not a mufon spokesperson but

1024
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:47,280
what i will say

1025
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:50,480
is that you know any organization mufon

1026
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:51,040
is the

1027
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:52,720
largest and oldest organization

1028
00:34:56,470 --> 00:34:54,560
investigating this in the world

1029
00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:56,480
it's all volunteers it's not like it has

1030
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:58,480
a big paid staff that's doing a bunch of

1031
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:59,280
stuff

1032
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:00,880
and so you're going to have growing

1033
00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:02,800
pains you're going to have experiences

1034
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:04,480
that you have to learn from

1035
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:06,960
i think that we just did some video

1036
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:07,680
tapes with

1037
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:09,599
dave mcdonald who is running mufon at

1038
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:12,000
the moment doing a really good job

1039
00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:14,240
and he reiterates that mufon is here for

1040
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:16,160
everybody

1041
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:18,160
you know none of this nonsense we all we

1042
00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:20,160
can do is absorb it it happened

1043
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:21,359
what can we do to make sure it doesn't

1044
00:35:25,990 --> 00:35:23,760
happen again how can we make it better

1045
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:26,000
uh and so you know that's what they do

1046
00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:27,680
and they're doing a really good job of

1047
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:30,400
it membership is at an all-time high

1048
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:32,720
mufon itself is really shaping itself to

1049
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:33,839
be

1050
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:37,760
is the community for people who care

1051
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:38,960
about this topic if you're an

1052
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:40,240
experiencer

1053
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:43,200
there's a very robust world for you to

1054
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:44,160
enter

1055
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:46,160
when you become a member of mufon if

1056
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:48,240
you're just an armchair ufo enthusiast

1057
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:49,920
we have mufon television we have all

1058
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:52,240
kinds of events that you can attend

1059
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:56,079
both in your area and live and honestly

1060
00:35:59,510 --> 00:35:57,599
for all the ups and downs that mufon's

1061
00:36:02,069 --> 00:35:59,520
had it is the same

1062
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:02,079
voice of reason in this field if you

1063
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:02,800
want to know

1064
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:05,280
if you want to go to the best archives

1065
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:06,000
of

1066
00:36:09,030 --> 00:36:07,760
ufo evidence ever presented you're going

1067
00:36:10,310 --> 00:36:09,040
to find that on mufon you're not going

1068
00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:10,320
to find it on youtube

1069
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:12,880
it's too diluted it's diluted with with

1070
00:36:15,109 --> 00:36:14,400
stuff that doesn't make sense and it's

1071
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:15,119
far-fetched

1072
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:17,440
being sold by carnival barkers so we've

1073
00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:19,599
really managed to boil things down

1074
00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:22,000
into a good presentation and mufon is

1075
00:36:24,310 --> 00:36:23,280
working very hard to make an

1076
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:24,320
organization that

1077
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:26,160
everybody who cares about the topic

1078
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:28,079
could be a part of and there's nobody

1079
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:30,000
else that's positioned to do that better

1080
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,800
than them

1081
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:32,400
and so they've learned from the past

1082
00:36:35,910 --> 00:36:33,920
they're moving on better

1083
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:35,920
and there's people at the top that

1084
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:38,240
really care about making sure that that

1085
00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:40,240
things like that aren't part of buffon's

1086
00:36:45,190 --> 00:36:42,320
future

1087
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:45,200
yeah um you know i understand you can't

1088
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:46,560
judge

1089
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:48,480
you know from from a beaut a few bad

1090
00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:49,680
apples you can't judge

1091
00:36:54,310 --> 00:36:52,560
the whole the whole thing it's just so i

1092
00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:54,320
i would just say it's a it's

1093
00:36:58,150 --> 00:36:56,800
uh you know it's morphing into hopefully

1094
00:37:01,589 --> 00:36:58,160
something that'll be

1095
00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:01,599
uh everything you just said and uh

1096
00:37:07,829 --> 00:37:04,880
i'm kind of surprised that the uh

1097
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:07,839
the membership is up uh but i'm not in

1098
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:08,640
another way

1099
00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:11,760
because i uh in checking this uh this

1100
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:13,920
show in particular i've noticed that

1101
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:16,240
my downloads on the audio podcast have

1102
00:37:19,990 --> 00:37:17,280
almost uh

1103
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:20,000
quad rippled in the last uh two years

1104
00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:21,359
and especially the last

1105
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:23,440
year maybe it had to do with covet but

1106
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:25,119
also i think it had to do with ufos

1107
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:26,960
being so much in the news these days

1108
00:37:33,270 --> 00:37:30,560
as well yeah you know mufon is reshaping

1109
00:37:35,349 --> 00:37:33,280
its message it's traditionally been

1110
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:35,359
if you want to be a ufo investigator

1111
00:37:38,069 --> 00:37:36,400
join mufon

1112
00:37:40,150 --> 00:37:38,079
you can come and we're going to train

1113
00:37:41,109 --> 00:37:40,160
you and and there's certain obligations

1114
00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:41,119
you're going to have

1115
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:42,800
uh to be a field investigator and all

1116
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:44,480
these things and and we still

1117
00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:46,640
are they don't want to get myself in

1118
00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:47,920
trouble here

1119
00:37:51,430 --> 00:37:49,920
they they still embrace that if you're

1120
00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:51,440
really interested in being a hardcore

1121
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:52,800
investigator and you want to go out in

1122
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:54,720
the field and you want to do the things

1123
00:37:58,950 --> 00:37:56,800
that it takes to gather evidence and

1124
00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:58,960
upload to the mufon database and add to

1125
00:38:01,829 --> 00:37:59,920
that

1126
00:38:03,910 --> 00:38:01,839
mufon is there for you but if you are

1127
00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:03,920
just somebody who cares about the topic

1128
00:38:07,270 --> 00:38:05,599
and wants to be in a club with other

1129
00:38:09,030 --> 00:38:07,280
people who care about the topic

1130
00:38:10,950 --> 00:38:09,040
there's a whole lot of stuff for people

1131
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:10,960
to do when they're a part of mufon that

1132
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:12,240
doesn't have anything to do with

1133
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:14,560
dedicating your life to investigations

1134
00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:17,119
so you know i say you don't have to

1135
00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:18,880
investigate to participate

1136
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:20,640
and move on television is one of those

1137
00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:22,800
cool things we have our own channel

1138
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:24,720
uh there's six or seven hundred pieces

1139
00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:26,640
of commercial free curated content

1140
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:29,200
on mufon television uh it's a great

1141
00:38:32,230 --> 00:38:30,000
website

1142
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:32,240
and it's included with your enhanced

1143
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:33,520
membership

1144
00:38:37,990 --> 00:38:36,480
so there has to be an organization to

1145
00:38:40,150 --> 00:38:38,000
help people make sense of all this

1146
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:40,160
especially as it unfolds and there's

1147
00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:41,280
nobody else

1148
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:43,760
and so you know they're stepping up to

1149
00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:45,599
take that role

1150
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:48,800
um someone just someone just uh posted

1151
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:49,680
this on that

1152
00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:52,320
that says up you have to pay mufon to be

1153
00:38:55,349 --> 00:38:54,079
a field investigator is that that's not

1154
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:55,359
really so is it

1155
00:38:59,430 --> 00:38:57,760
no i mean you have to join and and and

1156
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:59,440
pay membership dues obviously but

1157
00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:00,000
they're not that

1158
00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:02,560
expensive and if you take classes and

1159
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:03,119
you buy

1160
00:39:06,790 --> 00:39:05,280
materials you have to pay for that stuff

1161
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:06,800
but you have to understand mufan is an

1162
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:08,800
all-volunteer organization

1163
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:11,040
it is not like we have some big

1164
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:12,560
government funding that comes in and

1165
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:14,160
pays for everything and mufon's about

1166
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:15,200
making money

1167
00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:16,800
it's never been that way people have

1168
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:18,400
that perception but it's just not the

1169
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:19,760
case

1170
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:21,119
people that become mufon field

1171
00:39:24,630 --> 00:39:23,280
investigators do so because they really

1172
00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:24,640
want to make a difference and they want

1173
00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:26,000
to go out and they want to help find

1174
00:39:29,349 --> 00:39:27,359
answers

1175
00:39:30,710 --> 00:39:29,359
there is always costs associated with

1176
00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:30,720
doing stuff like that

1177
00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:32,720
mufon reimburses some of its team

1178
00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:34,400
members for their expenses but

1179
00:39:37,910 --> 00:39:36,240
it's just like anything else when you

1180
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:37,920
sign up take a class at college

1181
00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:39,440
you pay for the class you pay for the

1182
00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:42,800
materials and you take the class um

1183
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:44,720
this stuff does cost money and it has to

1184
00:39:49,109 --> 00:39:46,320
be paid for in some way

1185
00:39:51,109 --> 00:39:49,119
and so it's not like mufon is is

1186
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:51,119
extorting money out of its members but

1187
00:39:53,349 --> 00:39:52,640
there are costs associated with doing

1188
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:53,359
what it does

1189
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:56,880
and you know it's that's life

1190
00:40:00,310 --> 00:39:58,320
all right i want to address something in

1191
00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:00,320
this chat room uh

1192
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:03,520
so uh this is from welcome to the show

1193
00:40:07,829 --> 00:40:06,640
and really martin you judge third phase

1194
00:40:09,910 --> 00:40:07,839
when they have made that's

1195
00:40:11,109 --> 00:40:09,920
third phase of the moon they have that

1196
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:11,119
youtube channel

1197
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:13,599
with a with a lot of hoax videos on it

1198
00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:15,440
that they cash in on

1199
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:18,960
and uh so anyway uh they've made

1200
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:22,480
some credible evidence this is uh

1201
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:24,480
kind of like the argument against what i

1202
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:25,520
just said

1203
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:27,440
our third phase of the moon is out there

1204
00:40:32,230 --> 00:40:29,680
to make money that's what they're doing

1205
00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:32,240
and uh there's a few other secure team

1206
00:40:36,309 --> 00:40:33,040
10 is it

1207
00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:36,319
you know i mean so uh you know

1208
00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:38,720
stick up for them if you want to but um

1209
00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:39,520
if you want

1210
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:42,560
real real uh videos look there's a

1211
00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:43,920
difference between

1212
00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:47,280
entertainment and journalism and just

1213
00:40:51,190 --> 00:40:49,280
because somebody is trying to

1214
00:40:52,630 --> 00:40:51,200
escape the fact that they've been busted

1215
00:40:54,790 --> 00:40:52,640
hoaxing videos

1216
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:54,800
over and over and over again does not

1217
00:40:59,109 --> 00:40:56,720
make them suddenly journalists

1218
00:41:00,630 --> 00:40:59,119
so they all have a place i love secure

1219
00:41:02,870 --> 00:41:00,640
team 10 i like tyler

1220
00:41:04,309 --> 00:41:02,880
uh i the cousins brothers they've done

1221
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:04,319
some interesting stuff

1222
00:41:09,030 --> 00:41:07,520
but you don't suddenly uh decide

1223
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:09,040
that it's going to be worth your while

1224
00:41:11,829 --> 00:41:10,560
to tell the truth more than it's worth

1225
00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:11,839
your while to make

1226
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:15,520
money on youtube so you won't find any

1227
00:41:18,790 --> 00:41:17,200
hoax videos on mufon tv

1228
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:18,800
and you won't find anything in my body

1229
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:20,880
of work that i put out that i do not

1230
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:21,440
think is

1231
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:24,640
of journalistic integrity so it's not

1232
00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:25,520
the same thing

1233
00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:27,839
entertainment is entertainment kudos to

1234
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:28,800
these guys

1235
00:41:32,069 --> 00:41:31,200
but you know we're not talking about

1236
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:32,079
journalism here

1237
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:35,200
and and no matter how hard these groups

1238
00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:35,920
try

1239
00:41:39,430 --> 00:41:38,240
to become journalists they can never

1240
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:39,440
wash that away

1241
00:41:43,349 --> 00:41:41,280
of of the things that they did in the

1242
00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:43,359
past that were not about journalism

1243
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:46,319
it's just it doesn't wash you can't you

1244
00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:49,040
know a politician uh once he's voted out

1245
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:50,960
of office for doing certain things this

1246
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:52,480
has a really hard time coming back and

1247
00:41:57,190 --> 00:41:54,000
being accepted differently

1248
00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:57,200
so i i i like these guys i like the work

1249
00:42:02,870 --> 00:41:58,160
that they do

1250
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:06,550
allow it to take the place of

1251
00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:09,440
journalistic values which are tell the

1252
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:11,760
truth from an impartial standpoint

1253
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:13,920
and the idea of creating stories that

1254
00:42:19,349 --> 00:42:16,560
are hyped up or fake or cg

1255
00:42:20,069 --> 00:42:19,359
and then all of a sudden claiming to be

1256
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:20,079
a journalist

1257
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:21,520
the two things just don't match you're

1258
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:23,040
either a carnival barker or you're a

1259
00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:24,240
journalist

1260
00:42:31,589 --> 00:42:27,920
but you kept you both yeah thank you

1261
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:31,599
uh yeah so um moving on

1262
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:33,839
when uh i'm gonna get a lot of trouble

1263
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:34,720
for that one but

1264
00:42:41,109 --> 00:42:38,160
yeah so no no no no no uh

1265
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:41,119
so if you were like running the show

1266
00:42:44,309 --> 00:42:42,880
over a mufon yourself i know you're

1267
00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:44,319
you're not a mufon spoke

1268
00:42:49,270 --> 00:42:47,200
spokesperson or anything like that but

1269
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:49,280
do you think they could do something to

1270
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:52,000
improve you know some people they they

1271
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:53,680
they're they complain because they can't

1272
00:42:58,309 --> 00:42:56,720
get access to certain things uh

1273
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:58,319
for sightings a lot of people say that

1274
00:43:01,910 --> 00:43:00,160
things kind of get buried there

1275
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:01,920
do you do you think there's anything

1276
00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:04,240
they could do to improve their service

1277
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:06,160
um to make it more i don't know

1278
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:07,920
transparent is that

1279
00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:09,520
is that what i'm looking for well you

1280
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:10,960
know that we look back at

1281
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:12,480
some of the history where mufon's been

1282
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:14,480
accused of sequestering reports or

1283
00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:15,599
altering stuff

1284
00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:18,400
i've i i have not seen serious evidence

1285
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:19,520
that that happened

1286
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:21,680
on any kind of a large scale you're

1287
00:43:25,270 --> 00:43:23,119
always dealing with egos

1288
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:25,280
you're dealing with people that um you

1289
00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:26,880
know they they find value to their

1290
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:27,520
material

1291
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:30,400
and maybe they have plans for it these

1292
00:43:33,670 --> 00:43:32,160
kind of things happen but it's not in

1293
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:33,680
mufon's dna

1294
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:36,800
to allow that stuff and there's

1295
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:38,800
a lot of issues with the database and

1296
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:40,720
and the database is kind of a clunky

1297
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:42,480
thing it was custom-made

1298
00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:45,359
uh by ibm and it's you know it's it's

1299
00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:46,640
always had issues

1300
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:47,920
and so i know for a fact that they're

1301
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:49,760
working on making the database more

1302
00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:50,960
universal

1303
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:53,440
more accessible and easier to merge into

1304
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:55,280
other databases so that everybody that's

1305
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:57,359
in the field can kind of work together

1306
00:44:01,829 --> 00:43:59,680
a little bit better but mufon is not

1307
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:01,839
trying to hide anything from anybody

1308
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:04,000
it's more human error and the fact that

1309
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:05,040
again

1310
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:08,640
this is a all volunteer organization

1311
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:11,280
and just by its very nature 4 500

1312
00:44:16,069 --> 00:44:13,920
members somewhere around that worldwide

1313
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:16,079
it's when nobody's really getting paid

1314
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:16,960
it's going to be

1315
00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:19,920
a little wonky it just is and so there's

1316
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:22,160
no nefarious intention behind that it's

1317
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:23,280
just that

1318
00:44:26,470 --> 00:44:24,720
you know nobody's perfect and when

1319
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:26,480
everybody's volunteering their time and

1320
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:28,640
everybody's stretched really thin

1321
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:30,240
you know it is what it is but it's

1322
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:32,640
getting better

1323
00:44:37,109 --> 00:44:35,119
when someone wants to become i've had

1324
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:37,119
people ask me this

1325
00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:39,520
they um you know have asked me this and

1326
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:40,480
i've just forward

1327
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:42,640
forwarded them on but if someone wants

1328
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:44,640
to become a field investigator

1329
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:47,520
what type of training do they have to do

1330
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:49,280
and what type of commitment

1331
00:44:54,069 --> 00:44:52,319
do they have to make well that they

1332
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:54,079
would attend field training like at the

1333
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:56,160
buffon symposiums we have field training

1334
00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:56,880
classes

1335
00:45:01,190 --> 00:44:58,400
and then in their local chapters they

1336
00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:01,200
would be brought in and taken out

1337
00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:04,000
on investigations by the state directors

1338
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:06,000
by other members in their local area

1339
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:07,760
and so they're trained in that way

1340
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:08,880
there's a little bit of training

1341
00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:10,319
materials that they do have to buy but

1342
00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:11,920
it's not super expensive

1343
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:13,760
and going to the symposium and taking

1344
00:45:18,069 --> 00:45:15,760
the field training is not mandatory

1345
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:18,079
so it's really a matter of getting as

1346
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:19,680
involved as you want to get it's not

1347
00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:21,680
like once you sign up

1348
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:23,680
you're suddenly expected to do all kinds

1349
00:45:29,109 --> 00:45:26,000
of stuff you can do whatever you want

1350
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:29,119
and participate that you choose yeah

1351
00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:32,480
and but the the top ranking say the uh

1352
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:35,760
like the president and their office

1353
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:38,160
managers they're they do actually draw a

1354
00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:38,960
salary right

1355
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:42,160
i mean everyone else is volunteers yeah

1356
00:45:43,990 --> 00:45:42,720
the uh

1357
00:45:46,150 --> 00:45:44,000
well obviously you have to pay your

1358
00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:46,160
office staff the uh

1359
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:48,960
the director of mufon because it has to

1360
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:50,560
be their full-time job they

1361
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:52,880
they get a salary if i'm not mistaken i

1362
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:53,920
think dave when he

1363
00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:56,319
since he took over is taking way less

1364
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:57,119
than

1365
00:46:01,270 --> 00:45:59,040
was traditionally given or not taking it

1366
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:01,280
at all i can't speak for sure on that

1367
00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:03,920
but that's what i was told

1368
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:05,440
but at the end of the day you're talking

1369
00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:07,280
about

1370
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:10,720
people of executive level caliber

1371
00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:13,359
that really took a huge pay cut to go

1372
00:46:18,069 --> 00:46:14,960
into what they do

1373
00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:18,079
uh for mufon it's not big bucks so

1374
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:20,079
nobody nobody is cashing in it's a labor

1375
00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:21,680
of love even for people that are getting

1376
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:22,480
some money

1377
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:24,800
you know i started mufon television as

1378
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:25,520
it is a

1379
00:46:33,430 --> 00:46:31,359
and i do it almost full time at this

1380
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:33,440
point and i'm making

1381
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:36,079
a fraction of what i would make if i was

1382
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:37,440
doing other things with my video

1383
00:46:42,309 --> 00:46:39,920
production i've got a giant studio in la

1384
00:46:44,069 --> 00:46:42,319
i used to do all kinds of big music

1385
00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:44,079
video productions i've done guns and

1386
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:46,480
roses smashing pumpkins beach boys

1387
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:48,400
kendrick lamar filmed his video in my

1388
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:49,920
studio with george clinton

1389
00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:51,200
i mean that was kind of stuff i was

1390
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:52,880
doing and i'm so busy with mufon at this

1391
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:53,359
point

1392
00:46:57,910 --> 00:46:55,280
i don't have time to do that stuff and

1393
00:47:00,309 --> 00:46:57,920
it is a financial sacrifice

1394
00:47:01,910 --> 00:47:00,319
yeah i would say yeah yeah i know

1395
00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:01,920
someone was posting that earlier in the

1396
00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:03,760
chat room that you had done all these

1397
00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:06,400
these productions and uh do you do any

1398
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:08,000
of that now or you just switch

1399
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:09,599
i just switched right over to this i

1400
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:12,800
mean or has has had another covet

1401
00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:15,520
casualty well my live stream business

1402
00:47:18,309 --> 00:47:16,640
which i would do

1403
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:18,319
four or five major events a year i've

1404
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:20,000
done contact in the desert

1405
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:22,000
obviously the mufon symposium i was

1406
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:23,680
doing the international association for

1407
00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:25,280
near-death studies and a bunch of other

1408
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:25,920
ones

1409
00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:27,680
pretty consistently and that all

1410
00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:30,160
vaporized in 2020 so that was about

1411
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:33,280
80 grand off my plate but um i

1412
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:35,760
i just decided that i really wanted to

1413
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:37,680
dedicate

1414
00:47:41,349 --> 00:47:40,079
most of my time for developing really

1415
00:47:44,870 --> 00:47:41,359
good programming

1416
00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:44,880
and original stuff and i could be

1417
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:46,400
trying to pitch stuff to the networks i

1418
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:47,839
could be doing a lot of other things

1419
00:47:50,069 --> 00:47:48,960
like that with the shows that i'm

1420
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:50,079
producing but

1421
00:47:53,589 --> 00:47:52,400
i just like the freedom of not being

1422
00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:53,599
told what to do

1423
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:55,839
and what to say and i can get out here

1424
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:57,680
and i can i can pretty much speak my

1425
00:48:03,829 --> 00:47:59,760
mind rather it gets me in trouble or not

1426
00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:03,839
and so you're gonna find you know uh

1427
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:06,160
unabashed uninfluenced stuff i worked

1428
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:07,040
with a

1429
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:08,800
e to help promote unidentified and to

1430
00:48:12,309 --> 00:48:10,720
help promote project blue book

1431
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:12,319
and you know all these people are really

1432
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:13,920
great and a e has done

1433
00:48:19,190 --> 00:48:17,440
amazing things for the forward

1434
00:48:20,790 --> 00:48:19,200
momentum of disclosure but at the end of

1435
00:48:24,549 --> 00:48:20,800
the day

1436
00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:24,559
they are very um what's the phrase

1437
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:26,079
what you're what the public is getting

1438
00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:27,520
through these mainstream media outlets

1439
00:48:32,069 --> 00:48:29,440
is very controlled and very filtered

1440
00:48:33,990 --> 00:48:32,079
and it's also dumbed down to appeal to

1441
00:48:36,230 --> 00:48:34,000
the mass population so it's never going

1442
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:36,240
to satisfy the hardcore people who know

1443
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:37,680
there's so much more

1444
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:39,359
so you know that's what i'm that's why

1445
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:42,079
i'm doing what i'm doing now

1446
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:44,880
wow well that's that's interesting and

1447
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:45,280
so

1448
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:46,880
are you actually working in the very

1449
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:48,400
same studio right now

1450
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:51,119
that you have done all these things oh

1451
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:52,720
my studio is in la

1452
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:55,200
and when the pandemic hit i decided to

1453
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:56,880
just get out of la so i bought a house

1454
00:48:59,910 --> 00:48:58,000
in sedona

1455
00:49:01,750 --> 00:48:59,920
and so i'm camped out right there so i

1456
00:49:02,150 --> 00:49:01,760
have i still have my studio in la which

1457
00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:02,160
is

1458
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:03,760
it's also set up like so i can live

1459
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:05,760
there when i go out but i have a house

1460
00:49:08,069 --> 00:49:07,440
in sedona so i set up a whole other

1461
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:08,079
studio

1462
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:10,480
in the lower level of this house so i

1463
00:49:14,829 --> 00:49:11,760
can pretty much be in front of the

1464
00:49:21,750 --> 00:49:17,670
interesting uh so

1465
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:21,760
uh anyway uh let's see we're going to be

1466
00:49:25,829 --> 00:49:23,520
going into i just wanted to

1467
00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:25,839
note that during the break coming up

1468
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:27,280
we're going to do a little

1469
00:49:31,109 --> 00:49:29,280
clip it's a five-minute clip during the

1470
00:49:34,549 --> 00:49:31,119
break it'll be an extra long

1471
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:34,559
clip so uh keep your eyes open for that

1472
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:37,760
um everyone uh well let me let me talk

1473
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:39,359
about that real quick the uh

1474
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:42,720
the the night before uh the phenomenon

1475
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:45,839
was released james fox was in sedona and

1476
00:49:51,109 --> 00:49:49,200
he came to my house and we talked about

1477
00:49:52,950 --> 00:49:51,119
all of the trials and tribulations that

1478
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:52,960
went into making that film

1479
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:56,160
and so

1480
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:58,000
this is an excerpt from that and if you

1481
00:50:01,670 --> 00:49:59,520
want to see the whole thing

1482
00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:01,680
you can go to mufon television dot com

1483
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:03,680
forward slash space time and the whole

1484
00:50:08,549 --> 00:50:05,200
hour interview is there

1485
00:50:09,750 --> 00:50:08,559
but james comes clean and opens up about

1486
00:50:11,589 --> 00:50:09,760
really what he's been through as a

1487
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:11,599
filmmaker and him and i have a little

1488
00:50:15,430 --> 00:50:12,640
bit in common

1489
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:15,440
and it was really fun um to do it so

1490
00:50:20,710 --> 00:50:17,760
this this is what you're gonna see

1491
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:20,720
okay um so i'm gonna see if we can

1492
00:50:25,510 --> 00:50:22,160
actually jump into that now

1493
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:25,520
i'm just communicating over with uh okay

1494
00:50:28,230 --> 00:50:27,200
so we're going to go into that break now

1495
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:28,240
so everybody can

1496
00:50:32,309 --> 00:50:31,280
uh check that out and so it's a extra

1497
00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:32,319
long break

1498
00:50:35,589 --> 00:50:34,640
over at kgr radio thank you for your

1499
00:50:37,670 --> 00:50:35,599
patience

1500
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:37,680
and uh we'll be right back after these

1501
00:50:40,230 --> 00:50:38,640
messages

1502
00:50:59,050 --> 00:50:40,240
and uh here's the clip we're gonna roll

1503
00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:01,589
[Music]

1504
00:51:05,670 --> 00:51:03,760
i'm ron james and we're here at a little

1505
00:51:07,349 --> 00:51:05,680
studio i set up in sedona arizona

1506
00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:07,359
because i'm laying low from los angeles

1507
00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:08,240
for a while

1508
00:51:12,150 --> 00:51:10,480
i am lucky enough to have james fox

1509
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:12,160
right here in sedona

1510
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:13,760
thanks for being here thanks for having

1511
00:51:16,950 --> 00:51:15,440
me on exciting time

1512
00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:16,960
it really is an exciting time

1513
00:51:20,710 --> 00:51:18,640
congratulations on the film

1514
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:20,720
what you've done and the timing of it

1515
00:51:23,990 --> 00:51:22,559
couldn't be better for the field

1516
00:51:26,069 --> 00:51:24,000
and for everybody that wants to know

1517
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:26,079
more about the topic well i just feel

1518
00:51:29,030 --> 00:51:27,359
like it's something that we're all

1519
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:29,040
entitled to

1520
00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:30,640
you know i look at look at my son i have

1521
00:51:35,829 --> 00:51:32,800
a six-year-old son i think that

1522
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:35,839
he's entitled to know

1523
00:51:38,950 --> 00:51:38,160
this truth i call it truth but this

1524
00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:38,960
reality

1525
00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:41,920
he's entitled the children are entitled

1526
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:44,319
every man woman and child is entitled

1527
00:51:48,470 --> 00:51:46,480
to have information about the bigger

1528
00:51:50,549 --> 00:51:48,480
picture and where we fit

1529
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:50,559
i think it's important and even if it's

1530
00:51:54,150 --> 00:51:51,599
a little scary

1531
00:51:56,069 --> 00:51:54,160
this is not just a handful of people

1532
00:51:57,190 --> 00:51:56,079
that should have this information and

1533
00:51:59,030 --> 00:51:57,200
i understand there are a lot of

1534
00:51:59,990 --> 00:51:59,040
questions that are remain unanswered

1535
00:52:03,510 --> 00:52:00,000
that's fine

1536
00:52:05,270 --> 00:52:03,520
too if it's the truth

1537
00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:05,280
and it's our reality we should know

1538
00:52:09,270 --> 00:52:07,440
about it i don't think anybody else has

1539
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:09,280
the right to make decisions for the

1540
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:10,960
whole of humanity i don't either i

1541
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:11,520
really don't

1542
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:12,720
it's all right with you let's roll the

1543
00:52:25,430 --> 00:52:19,030
i knew this was breaking news for the

1544
00:52:32,470 --> 00:52:28,630
we need to accept that we are not alone

1545
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:32,480
in the universe the federal government

1546
00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:33,440
all these years

1547
00:52:40,309 --> 00:52:37,040
has covered up everything it's very very

1548
00:52:43,829 --> 00:52:42,549
there had been visitation crashed craft

1549
00:52:46,069 --> 00:52:43,839
material recovered

1550
00:52:49,829 --> 00:52:46,079
it was not anything from this earth all

1551
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:51,990
the public has a right to know there's a

1552
00:52:55,750 --> 00:52:52,960
tremendous

1553
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:55,760
resistance i guarantee every one of them

1554
00:53:00,950 --> 00:52:59,040
knows that this event happened

1555
00:53:03,270 --> 00:53:00,960
hiding these dark secrets even from

1556
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:03,280
elected presidents

1557
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:05,040
they came running up here in such a

1558
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:08,160
panic a child can't make that up

1559
00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:10,079
declassified government documents

1560
00:53:15,670 --> 00:53:13,040
confirm ongoing ufo incursions

1561
00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:15,680
at nuclear weapons sites are you saying

1562
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:16,960
that there's some evidence that still

1563
00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:19,599
hasn't seen the light of day

1564
00:53:23,109 --> 00:53:21,200
i'm saying most of it hasn't seen the

1565
00:53:29,660 --> 00:53:23,119
light of day these things are

1566
00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:29,670
real they're here this is happening now

1567
00:53:38,069 --> 00:53:36,230
so you've created this film that really

1568
00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:38,079
brings people up to speed and the timing

1569
00:53:40,069 --> 00:53:38,960
couldn't be better

1570
00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:40,079
we basically finished the film in

1571
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:42,000
january the film could have come out in

1572
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:45,359
in january right of 2020. um but then of

1573
00:53:49,270 --> 00:53:46,000
course

1574
00:53:52,390 --> 00:53:49,280
the pandemic hit everything froze um

1575
00:53:53,670 --> 00:53:52,400
there was a whole stay-at-home order and

1576
00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:53,680
everyone was like release your movie

1577
00:53:56,069 --> 00:53:55,440
release it now release it now but we

1578
00:53:59,510 --> 00:53:56,079
were

1579
00:54:01,109 --> 00:53:59,520
holding out for a quick solution to this

1580
00:54:02,630 --> 00:54:01,119
pandemic and thinking like you know we

1581
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:02,640
still want our theatrical

1582
00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:05,280
yes but you know we were whole i was

1583
00:54:08,230 --> 00:54:06,640
hoping that it was gonna you know we

1584
00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:08,240
were gonna get rid of this pandemic we

1585
00:54:10,710 --> 00:54:08,880
could get our

1586
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:10,720
the theatrical but that didn't happen so

1587
00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:12,160
we sat on the film for like

1588
00:54:15,270 --> 00:54:14,880
months and months and months right six

1589
00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:15,280
months

1590
00:54:19,349 --> 00:54:16,960
where it could have been out well

1591
00:54:21,190 --> 00:54:19,359
meanwhile during that six-month window

1592
00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:21,200
all the content that had been finished

1593
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:23,119
had been gone through for the most part

1594
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:25,359
so there was a dearth of of fresh

1595
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:26,880
content

1596
00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:28,559
suddenly you're getting all these

1597
00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:30,160
platforms that normally want to hoard it

1598
00:54:33,430 --> 00:54:31,200
to themselves

1599
00:54:34,549 --> 00:54:33,440
are having to share it right what that

1600
00:54:36,309 --> 00:54:34,559
means is

1601
00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:36,319
is that it's going to be seen by more

1602
00:54:39,910 --> 00:54:38,160
people in the end because we'll get all

1603
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:39,920
the platforms yes

1604
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:41,440
we might miss our theatrical for the

1605
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:44,160
time being but we'll get all these other

1606
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:46,079
platforms make up for it

1607
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:47,520
we'll end up getting a lot more eyeballs

1608
00:54:50,069 --> 00:54:49,359
on the film than we would have with what

1609
00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:50,079
our previous

1610
00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:52,640
distribution plan was congratulations on

1611
00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:53,440
the phenomenon

1612
00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:55,760
i hope it goes as far as it can go it's

1613
00:54:59,349 --> 00:54:57,359
going to be a big thing as far as

1614
00:55:00,630 --> 00:54:59,359
how it helps people to really get up to

1615
00:55:02,470 --> 00:55:00,640
speed and

1616
00:55:04,390 --> 00:55:02,480
as an independent filmmaker you just

1617
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:04,400
really hit hit your stride i can't wait

1618
00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:06,000
to see what you do next well thank you

1619
00:55:12,870 --> 00:55:10,319
you know i i uh set out 26 years ago

1620
00:55:14,549 --> 00:55:12,880
to create a body of evidence that could

1621
00:55:17,589 --> 00:55:14,559
be presented to mainstream and

1622
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:17,599
and digestible to mainstream that

1623
00:55:36,130 --> 00:55:19,359
transcends the ufo community

1624
00:55:36,140 --> 00:55:42,309
[Music]

1625
00:55:47,030 --> 00:55:45,430
yeah we're back so uh bill will be

1626
00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:47,040
counting me down

1627
00:55:50,470 --> 00:55:49,920
uh yep i want to count it down right now

1628
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:50,480
three

1629
00:55:56,549 --> 00:55:53,680
two one oh all right we're back

1630
00:55:58,390 --> 00:55:56,559
uh my guest tonight is ron james welcome

1631
00:55:59,910 --> 00:55:58,400
back ron

1632
00:56:01,270 --> 00:55:59,920
thanks a lot yeah i've been hopping in

1633
00:56:04,069 --> 00:56:01,280
the chat over here yeah it's definitely

1634
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:07,750
yes yeah a lot a lot of uh

1635
00:56:11,670 --> 00:56:10,000
uh yeah there's a lot of activity in

1636
00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:11,680
there and you know i would like to

1637
00:56:14,230 --> 00:56:12,400
mention that

1638
00:56:16,309 --> 00:56:14,240
um you know when dr roger lear was a

1639
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:16,319
really good friend of mine and

1640
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:19,440
when he passed away i was rounding up uh

1641
00:56:23,589 --> 00:56:20,880
footage and presentations

1642
00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:23,599
and i put up the dr roger leer tribute

1643
00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:24,640
collection

1644
00:56:27,910 --> 00:56:26,160
and the guys from third phase of moon

1645
00:56:29,829 --> 00:56:27,920
had actually done a pretty good piece

1646
00:56:32,789 --> 00:56:29,839
and they let me use it i put it on the

1647
00:56:35,270 --> 00:56:32,799
dvds and we were able to actually make a

1648
00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:35,280
donation to roger lear's family

1649
00:56:38,470 --> 00:56:37,040
uh to help with his burial expenses

1650
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:38,480
because he died with uh just an

1651
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:39,440
amazingly

1652
00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:42,240
uh small number of resources so you know

1653
00:56:45,430 --> 00:56:43,520
i didn't mean to

1654
00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:45,440
i would like to acknowledge that that

1655
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:46,799
those guys did do that

1656
00:56:50,950 --> 00:56:49,280
and and that it was really cool and so

1657
00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:50,960
you know i always feel good

1658
00:56:54,549 --> 00:56:52,799
um about the fact that that happened

1659
00:56:57,270 --> 00:56:54,559
because it it made it possible for

1660
00:56:57,670 --> 00:56:57,280
possible for me to help these guys out

1661
00:57:02,710 --> 00:56:57,680
wow

1662
00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:02,720
yeah i didn't know that he he was a very

1663
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:04,000
nice gentleman

1664
00:57:07,030 --> 00:57:06,000
and uh i really liked speaking to him

1665
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:07,040
you know speaking to him

1666
00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:08,880
the one thing i always had a question

1667
00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:10,880
about was and and i haven't really

1668
00:57:15,270 --> 00:57:12,880
looked into it in a number of years

1669
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:15,280
except when he was around was the uh

1670
00:57:19,829 --> 00:57:17,359
turkish ufo that

1671
00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:19,839
whether that was an anomaly a camera

1672
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:21,359
anomaly or what do you know what i'm

1673
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:22,559
talking about

1674
00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:26,960
it was uh he filmed it in turkey

1675
00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:29,200
oh yeah that was a really interesting

1676
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:30,480
set of videos

1677
00:57:34,470 --> 00:57:32,880
that that he was involved in um it's

1678
00:57:36,390 --> 00:57:34,480
definitely compelling

1679
00:57:37,829 --> 00:57:36,400
and and it looks strange i never really

1680
00:57:40,150 --> 00:57:37,839
got to the bottom of

1681
00:57:41,109 --> 00:57:40,160
uh you know how legit it was but it got

1682
00:57:42,630 --> 00:57:41,119
a lot of press

1683
00:57:44,470 --> 00:57:42,640
and you know you can see the little

1684
00:57:47,349 --> 00:57:44,480
alien guys kind of i know

1685
00:57:48,470 --> 00:57:47,359
in the in the ship so i find it very

1686
00:57:50,950 --> 00:57:48,480
coincidental that

1687
00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:50,960
you know him being a major ufo

1688
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:52,160
researcher would just happen to be in

1689
00:57:55,910 --> 00:57:54,000
the right place at the right time but

1690
00:57:59,829 --> 00:57:55,920
maybe he got that footage because

1691
00:58:01,910 --> 00:57:59,839
he was a classic ufo researcher

1692
00:58:04,950 --> 00:58:01,920
if i remember right weren't they at a

1693
00:58:07,670 --> 00:58:04,960
ufo conference or something

1694
00:58:09,109 --> 00:58:07,680
yeah it was something like that yeah and

1695
00:58:11,750 --> 00:58:09,119
uh that's not the first

1696
00:58:12,950 --> 00:58:11,760
and only time you've you've had heard

1697
00:58:14,789 --> 00:58:12,960
these stories over the years where

1698
00:58:17,589 --> 00:58:14,799
people have been at a conference

1699
00:58:18,549 --> 00:58:17,599
and uh something has happened uh i don't

1700
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:18,559
know if you ever heard about the

1701
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:19,440
coronado

1702
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:22,559
thing yeah you know i i've worked with

1703
00:58:26,309 --> 00:58:24,240
yvonne smith a few times

1704
00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:26,319
i've interviewed her and uh you know

1705
00:58:28,950 --> 00:58:27,760
that's a that's a case that definitely

1706
00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:28,960
deserves more study

1707
00:58:32,789 --> 00:58:31,440
uh she wrote a book about it and uh

1708
00:58:35,109 --> 00:58:32,799
we're working on a show called

1709
00:58:36,549 --> 00:58:35,119
experiencer together but we had to put

1710
00:58:39,510 --> 00:58:36,559
it on the shelf because we couldn't get

1711
00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:39,520
enough experiencers to go on camera

1712
00:58:44,470 --> 00:58:42,720
oh really yeah um yeah do

1713
00:58:46,309 --> 00:58:44,480
do a lot of people say yes i'll go on

1714
00:58:47,990 --> 00:58:46,319
but you know blur me out or

1715
00:58:49,430 --> 00:58:48,000
or alter my voice you know that type of

1716
00:58:51,750 --> 00:58:49,440
thing

1717
00:58:53,030 --> 00:58:51,760
uh most of them express an interest and

1718
00:58:54,309 --> 00:58:53,040
then when they realize that they're

1719
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:54,319
going to be hypnotized

1720
00:58:58,309 --> 00:58:55,599
i mean this particular show had a

1721
00:58:59,589 --> 00:58:58,319
formula and so uh yeah people really get

1722
00:59:00,630 --> 00:58:59,599
cold feet

1723
00:59:03,190 --> 00:59:00,640
oh especially if they're going to be

1724
00:59:04,549 --> 00:59:03,200
hypnotized probably we wanted to film

1725
00:59:06,309 --> 00:59:04,559
the hypnotic regressions and then we

1726
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:06,319
wanted to interview them afterwards

1727
00:59:11,349 --> 00:59:09,599
uh very ambitious been but it didn't

1728
00:59:12,870 --> 00:59:11,359
have legs we couldn't get enough people

1729
00:59:15,589 --> 00:59:12,880
to consistently

1730
00:59:16,870 --> 00:59:15,599
fuel a series so it got put on the shelf

1731
00:59:19,270 --> 00:59:16,880
but i have a lot of respect for yvonne

1732
00:59:22,470 --> 00:59:19,280
smith she's done some amazing work

1733
00:59:24,950 --> 00:59:22,480
yeah she's a nice woman um you know it

1734
00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:24,960
that that was part of this whole field

1735
00:59:28,870 --> 00:59:26,960
when i first started getting into it i i

1736
00:59:29,589 --> 00:59:28,880
became really puzzled by and on the

1737
00:59:31,829 --> 00:59:29,599
fence

1738
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:31,839
and it's still a hard pill to swallow

1739
00:59:34,870 --> 00:59:32,880
the whole

1740
00:59:36,630 --> 00:59:34,880
uh you know experience your abduction

1741
00:59:38,549 --> 00:59:36,640
thing you know it's

1742
00:59:41,109 --> 00:59:38,559
there's just seems like there's so many

1743
00:59:43,510 --> 00:59:41,119
questions like why would they keep

1744
00:59:45,270 --> 00:59:43,520
you know i i know you can't think of

1745
00:59:46,390 --> 00:59:45,280
things in human terms if they're not

1746
00:59:47,990 --> 00:59:46,400
human

1747
00:59:50,230 --> 00:59:48,000
but you know why would they keep

1748
00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:50,240
abducting the same people over and over

1749
00:59:53,750 --> 00:59:50,640
again

1750
00:59:55,270 --> 00:59:53,760
and why the same families and or

1751
00:59:57,589 --> 00:59:55,280
you know is there something else going

1752
01:00:00,150 --> 00:59:57,599
on and then why is it just here in this

1753
01:00:02,309 --> 01:00:00,160
country so much and not in other places

1754
01:00:03,589 --> 01:00:02,319
you know that type of thing well i don't

1755
01:00:06,150 --> 01:00:03,599
know if that's you know

1756
01:00:07,430 --> 01:00:06,160
um really a hundred percent correct

1757
01:00:09,670 --> 01:00:07,440
because there's a lot of abduction

1758
01:00:10,950 --> 01:00:09,680
experiences happening in other places

1759
01:00:13,589 --> 01:00:10,960
what's what's interesting about the

1760
01:00:15,829 --> 01:00:13,599
whole phenomenon is that

1761
01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:15,839
uh we have a lot of people telling

1762
01:00:19,670 --> 01:00:17,119
similar stories

1763
01:00:21,109 --> 01:00:19,680
and in my discussions with other

1764
01:00:23,190 --> 01:00:21,119
researchers especially when i had

1765
01:00:24,950 --> 01:00:23,200
recently with linda molten howe

1766
01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:24,960
we're talking about the idea that there

1767
01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:26,240
is

1768
01:00:29,829 --> 01:00:28,559
a number of extraterrestrial species

1769
01:00:31,910 --> 01:00:29,839
that are engaging the planet

1770
01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:31,920
and that not all of them have the same

1771
01:00:36,549 --> 01:00:34,240
agenda for humanity's outcome

1772
01:00:37,990 --> 01:00:36,559
so you might have one race that is doing

1773
01:00:39,670 --> 01:00:38,000
genetic experiments and

1774
01:00:41,349 --> 01:00:39,680
and treating it like that you might have

1775
01:00:42,230 --> 01:00:41,359
another race that really wants to see us

1776
01:00:44,710 --> 01:00:42,240
evolve

1777
01:00:46,390 --> 01:00:44,720
into a enlightened species so we can

1778
01:00:48,630 --> 01:00:46,400
take place in some kind of a galactic

1779
01:00:50,390 --> 01:00:48,640
federation you might have other species

1780
01:00:51,910 --> 01:00:50,400
that would like to harvest this planet

1781
01:00:54,069 --> 01:00:51,920
in some way

1782
01:00:56,549 --> 01:00:54,079
so there could be a lot of different

1783
01:00:59,109 --> 01:00:56,559
reasons and a lot of different um

1784
01:01:01,349 --> 01:00:59,119
uh factions at play and it's just like

1785
01:01:03,670 --> 01:01:01,359
what happened with travis walton

1786
01:01:04,470 --> 01:01:03,680
this does not seem to be the same types

1787
01:01:07,349 --> 01:01:04,480
of

1788
01:01:08,390 --> 01:01:07,359
uh extraterrestrials that are on an

1789
01:01:10,309 --> 01:01:08,400
abduction team

1790
01:01:12,150 --> 01:01:10,319
they might not even be the same group

1791
01:01:12,470 --> 01:01:12,160
that it's like they were doing some kind

1792
01:01:14,309 --> 01:01:12,480
of

1793
01:01:16,069 --> 01:01:14,319
biological experiments that didn't

1794
01:01:18,069 --> 01:01:16,079
involve humans and travis was just in

1795
01:01:20,710 --> 01:01:18,079
the wrong place at the wrong time

1796
01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:20,720
so we have these these these experiences

1797
01:01:23,750 --> 01:01:21,520
happening

1798
01:01:25,750 --> 01:01:23,760
and we have a lot of the same stories

1799
01:01:27,990 --> 01:01:25,760
what's coming out now

1800
01:01:29,030 --> 01:01:28,000
an experience or research that kathleen

1801
01:01:30,710 --> 01:01:29,040
martin has done

1802
01:01:32,309 --> 01:01:30,720
and ray hernandez with the free

1803
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:32,319
foundation has done

1804
01:01:35,829 --> 01:01:35,040
is we're finding that people are being

1805
01:01:37,990 --> 01:01:35,839
contacted

1806
01:01:39,349 --> 01:01:38,000
in this traditional thing of of

1807
01:01:42,870 --> 01:01:39,359
unpleasant experiences

1808
01:01:46,230 --> 01:01:42,880
is not the norm it is more of a uh

1809
01:01:48,870 --> 01:01:46,240
an enlightening experience that when

1810
01:01:51,829 --> 01:01:48,880
first encountered could result in fear

1811
01:01:54,309 --> 01:01:51,839
and trauma but as it progresses

1812
01:01:56,309 --> 01:01:54,319
it's really not that and so we have to

1813
01:01:57,670 --> 01:01:56,319
ask ourselves maybe it's it hasn't been

1814
01:01:59,670 --> 01:01:57,680
that all along

1815
01:02:01,510 --> 01:01:59,680
and i think also the experience or

1816
01:02:02,390 --> 01:02:01,520
phenomenon is really pointing to the

1817
01:02:04,710 --> 01:02:02,400
fact that

1818
01:02:05,990 --> 01:02:04,720
when it comes to figuring out ufos we

1819
01:02:09,750 --> 01:02:06,000
might not be asking the right

1820
01:02:10,470 --> 01:02:09,760
questions i think that's a very strong

1821
01:02:13,670 --> 01:02:10,480
point

1822
01:02:15,430 --> 01:02:13,680
um that's uh

1823
01:02:18,630 --> 01:02:15,440
something i have thought about you know

1824
01:02:20,069 --> 01:02:18,640
maybe we have no idea maybe that's

1825
01:02:22,069 --> 01:02:20,079
that's the thing we need to know the

1826
01:02:23,589 --> 01:02:22,079
most is what questions should we should

1827
01:02:25,349 --> 01:02:23,599
be asking

1828
01:02:27,190 --> 01:02:25,359
well let's let's think about that for a

1829
01:02:29,589 --> 01:02:27,200
second when

1830
01:02:31,829 --> 01:02:29,599
when we're talking about the potential

1831
01:02:33,670 --> 01:02:31,839
for extraterrestrial species

1832
01:02:35,109 --> 01:02:33,680
and we say well are they from mars are

1833
01:02:37,750 --> 01:02:35,119
they from inside the planet are they

1834
01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:37,760
from zeta reticuli are they palladians

1835
01:02:41,910 --> 01:02:41,280
uh the question really is what it what

1836
01:02:45,910 --> 01:02:41,920
is

1837
01:02:48,630 --> 01:02:45,920
our reality

1838
01:02:50,069 --> 01:02:48,640
and then when we look at um the

1839
01:02:51,029 --> 01:02:50,079
experiencer phenomenon

1840
01:02:53,029 --> 01:02:51,039
and then we look at things like

1841
01:02:56,150 --> 01:02:53,039
near-death experiences and we look at

1842
01:02:57,589 --> 01:02:56,160
things like angelic visitations

1843
01:02:59,589 --> 01:02:57,599
when we're looking at trying to figure

1844
01:03:01,270 --> 01:02:59,599
out where an extraterrestrial species is

1845
01:03:02,789 --> 01:03:01,280
coming from and we're arguing about what

1846
01:03:05,589 --> 01:03:02,799
they are and who they are

1847
01:03:07,029 --> 01:03:05,599
we're overlooking the fact that science

1848
01:03:07,829 --> 01:03:07,039
is taking us more and more in the

1849
01:03:09,190 --> 01:03:07,839
direction of

1850
01:03:11,349 --> 01:03:09,200
proving that we're living in some sort

1851
01:03:13,349 --> 01:03:11,359
of a simulation and

1852
01:03:15,109 --> 01:03:13,359
when you're in a simulation any of these

1853
01:03:16,150 --> 01:03:15,119
things can be possible and sometimes

1854
01:03:18,950 --> 01:03:16,160
they can be possible

1855
01:03:20,390 --> 01:03:18,960
and impossible at the same time and so i

1856
01:03:22,789 --> 01:03:20,400
think ultimately

1857
01:03:24,549 --> 01:03:22,799
that what we're going to learn about the

1858
01:03:25,829 --> 01:03:24,559
existence of extraterrestrials in the

1859
01:03:26,870 --> 01:03:25,839
existence of all of these other

1860
01:03:28,710 --> 01:03:26,880
phenomena

1861
01:03:29,990 --> 01:03:28,720
that are not explained by traditional

1862
01:03:33,190 --> 01:03:30,000
science is going

1863
01:03:35,270 --> 01:03:33,200
to teach us some very key facts about

1864
01:03:37,349 --> 01:03:35,280
the nature of our reality that we do not

1865
01:03:39,910 --> 01:03:37,359
currently accept and i think ultimately

1866
01:03:42,150 --> 01:03:39,920
that is where things start to get very

1867
01:03:45,190 --> 01:03:42,160
very interesting

1868
01:03:47,510 --> 01:03:45,200
well uh yeah yeah

1869
01:03:48,710 --> 01:03:47,520
yeah that's all mind-blowing all that

1870
01:03:51,510 --> 01:03:48,720
and you know

1871
01:03:52,950 --> 01:03:51,520
another thing uh we may not be able to

1872
01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:52,960
detect

1873
01:03:56,150 --> 01:03:55,200
things other things that are around us

1874
01:03:58,950 --> 01:03:56,160
even

1875
01:04:00,870 --> 01:03:58,960
among us you know we just can't detect

1876
01:04:04,069 --> 01:04:00,880
everything with all our senses and

1877
01:04:05,829 --> 01:04:04,079
in the the scale of our senses yeah i

1878
01:04:07,349 --> 01:04:05,839
mean we're only able to see a certain

1879
01:04:09,109 --> 01:04:07,359
spectrum of color we're only able to

1880
01:04:10,789 --> 01:04:09,119
hear a certain spectrum of sound

1881
01:04:13,029 --> 01:04:10,799
really sensitive to a certain spectrum

1882
01:04:14,870 --> 01:04:13,039
of energy there could be all kinds of

1883
01:04:15,990 --> 01:04:14,880
things happening around us in fact that

1884
01:04:18,710 --> 01:04:16,000
video that

1885
01:04:19,910 --> 01:04:18,720
uh that jeremy corbell got a hold of

1886
01:04:22,150 --> 01:04:19,920
showing an object

1887
01:04:23,910 --> 01:04:22,160
supposedly going into the ocean that was

1888
01:04:26,870 --> 01:04:23,920
not actual video that was

1889
01:04:28,870 --> 01:04:26,880
um that was infrared uh video so it

1890
01:04:30,630 --> 01:04:28,880
wasn't it wasn't an actual video camera

1891
01:04:32,390 --> 01:04:30,640
recording an object it was an energy

1892
01:04:34,390 --> 01:04:32,400
reading

1893
01:04:35,589 --> 01:04:34,400
yeah that whole thing is that's got me

1894
01:04:37,910 --> 01:04:35,599
puzzled uh

1895
01:04:38,950 --> 01:04:37,920
jeremy corbell is uh yeah i haven't i

1896
01:04:42,150 --> 01:04:38,960
haven't emailed him

1897
01:04:44,069 --> 01:04:42,160
or anything about of these i haven't

1898
01:04:46,069 --> 01:04:44,079
spoken to him in a long time but

1899
01:04:47,750 --> 01:04:46,079
you know i mean where it makes you

1900
01:04:48,069 --> 01:04:47,760
wonder first of all where is he getting

1901
01:04:50,150 --> 01:04:48,079
these

1902
01:04:51,510 --> 01:04:50,160
is someone going to get in trouble uh

1903
01:04:54,549 --> 01:04:51,520
for

1904
01:04:58,309 --> 01:04:54,559
uh giving and these videos out

1905
01:05:01,910 --> 01:04:58,319
to him and also we're talking iphone

1906
01:05:04,309 --> 01:05:01,920
video of a screen iphone video of

1907
01:05:05,430 --> 01:05:04,319
you know you're seeing it's all iphone

1908
01:05:07,190 --> 01:05:05,440
copies

1909
01:05:09,109 --> 01:05:07,200
well supposedly the video of the radar

1910
01:05:11,430 --> 01:05:09,119
screens was shot by a

1911
01:05:12,870 --> 01:05:11,440
actual video crew that does this kind of

1912
01:05:13,750 --> 01:05:12,880
work i can't remember what he called

1913
01:05:16,309 --> 01:05:13,760
them but

1914
01:05:17,589 --> 01:05:16,319
it's not yeah it's not iphone video it

1915
01:05:20,630 --> 01:05:17,599
was a team

1916
01:05:22,390 --> 01:05:20,640
now the video on the deck uh

1917
01:05:24,710 --> 01:05:22,400
you know that supposedly was just shot

1918
01:05:25,990 --> 01:05:24,720
by somebody but you know to address what

1919
01:05:28,309 --> 01:05:26,000
you said

1920
01:05:29,190 --> 01:05:28,319
jeremy is you know he really has come

1921
01:05:32,150 --> 01:05:29,200
into his own as

1922
01:05:32,630 --> 01:05:32,160
as an investigator and he found out

1923
01:05:34,069 --> 01:05:32,640
where

1924
01:05:35,750 --> 01:05:34,079
who was presenting stuff and who's

1925
01:05:36,470 --> 01:05:35,760
involved in these groups and he got

1926
01:05:38,710 --> 01:05:36,480
somebody to

1927
01:05:40,390 --> 01:05:38,720
to slip him some unclassified video that

1928
01:05:42,230 --> 01:05:40,400
came out of some of these meetings

1929
01:05:43,990 --> 01:05:42,240
and that did not happen without a lot of

1930
01:05:46,710 --> 01:05:44,000
hard work that he did

1931
01:05:48,950 --> 01:05:46,720
so he managed to be in the position

1932
01:05:51,430 --> 01:05:48,960
where he got a hold of some cool stuff

1933
01:05:52,230 --> 01:05:51,440
and um but what that stuff is we don't

1934
01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:52,240
know uh

1935
01:05:56,630 --> 01:05:54,160
the the blinking lights of the flying

1936
01:05:58,470 --> 01:05:56,640
pyramids i've seen mick west debunked

1937
01:05:59,589 --> 01:05:58,480
that as boca coming from a night vision

1938
01:06:01,589 --> 01:05:59,599
goggle set

1939
01:06:03,670 --> 01:06:01,599
i have a hard time believing that the

1940
01:06:04,309 --> 01:06:03,680
extraterrestrial craft are going to be

1941
01:06:06,470 --> 01:06:04,319
using

1942
01:06:07,829 --> 01:06:06,480
running lights that match airplanes so i

1943
01:06:10,789 --> 01:06:07,839
don't know i'm a little skeptical about

1944
01:06:14,150 --> 01:06:12,549
i read another article about chinese

1945
01:06:15,750 --> 01:06:14,160
drones

1946
01:06:17,829 --> 01:06:15,760
that was put out by one of those

1947
01:06:18,710 --> 01:06:17,839
military watcher websites and they say

1948
01:06:21,750 --> 01:06:18,720
that

1949
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:21,760
it's very common for foreign adversaries

1950
01:06:25,029 --> 01:06:23,520
to troll our ships with drones and we're

1951
01:06:27,829 --> 01:06:25,039
not going to shoot them down

1952
01:06:29,190 --> 01:06:27,839
if they don't pose a threat it's not

1953
01:06:30,390 --> 01:06:29,200
something that's talked about a lot but

1954
01:06:33,510 --> 01:06:30,400
apparently it happens

1955
01:06:35,750 --> 01:06:33,520
and they showed uh images

1956
01:06:37,430 --> 01:06:35,760
of these these drones that could have

1957
01:06:39,430 --> 01:06:37,440
quite possibly been

1958
01:06:41,190 --> 01:06:39,440
uh what we're picking up on radar the

1959
01:06:42,390 --> 01:06:41,200
same size they had you know they have

1960
01:06:44,230 --> 01:06:42,400
the running lights

1961
01:06:45,750 --> 01:06:44,240
so i'm not saying that there's something

1962
01:06:47,109 --> 01:06:45,760
wrong with the videos

1963
01:06:48,789 --> 01:06:47,119
i'm just saying that they don't really

1964
01:06:50,630 --> 01:06:48,799
tell us anything conclusive

1965
01:06:51,910 --> 01:06:50,640
and there's nothing wrong with

1966
01:06:53,990 --> 01:06:51,920
questioning them and there's nothing

1967
01:06:56,710 --> 01:06:54,000
wrong with paying attention to people

1968
01:06:59,270 --> 01:06:56,720
that are for lack of a better word

1969
01:07:02,309 --> 01:06:59,280
debunking them we have to stay objective

1970
01:07:05,029 --> 01:07:02,319
and we have to you know be okay

1971
01:07:06,950 --> 01:07:05,039
if some explanation is not exactly the

1972
01:07:09,829 --> 01:07:06,960
one we want to embrace

1973
01:07:10,789 --> 01:07:09,839
we have to be okay with that yeah yeah

1974
01:07:13,829 --> 01:07:10,799
just like

1975
01:07:14,789 --> 01:07:13,839
um a sign a person of science should be

1976
01:07:18,150 --> 01:07:14,799
okay if

1977
01:07:19,750 --> 01:07:18,160
their idea is shown to be wrong science

1978
01:07:21,990 --> 01:07:19,760
has proven wrong all the time

1979
01:07:23,910 --> 01:07:22,000
and and so you know that's just the

1980
01:07:27,109 --> 01:07:23,920
nature of the beast

1981
01:07:29,910 --> 01:07:27,119
right right um but anyway

1982
01:07:31,029 --> 01:07:29,920
so what direction do you think we're

1983
01:07:33,109 --> 01:07:31,039
going in do you think

1984
01:07:34,549 --> 01:07:33,119
you like you said do you think this is

1985
01:07:36,069 --> 01:07:34,559
like the old boss

1986
01:07:38,950 --> 01:07:36,079
you know again or do you think we

1987
01:07:40,710 --> 01:07:38,960
actually are making some forward motion

1988
01:07:42,630 --> 01:07:40,720
well you know i think that the

1989
01:07:45,349 --> 01:07:42,640
circumstances and the techniques

1990
01:07:46,230 --> 01:07:45,359
are pretty much the same it's been done

1991
01:07:49,670 --> 01:07:46,240
several times

1992
01:07:51,190 --> 01:07:49,680
since roswell where government admits an

1993
01:07:53,910 --> 01:07:51,200
interest in it but

1994
01:07:55,349 --> 01:07:53,920
then the story gets diluted and nothing

1995
01:07:58,230 --> 01:07:55,359
definitive comes out of it

1996
01:07:58,789 --> 01:07:58,240
but i think we might be and i stress

1997
01:08:02,870 --> 01:07:58,799
might

1998
01:08:05,990 --> 01:08:02,880
humanity evolves

1999
01:08:07,750 --> 01:08:06,000
as technology evolves and as commercial

2000
01:08:11,109 --> 01:08:07,760
space flight evolves

2001
01:08:12,710 --> 01:08:11,119
uh there is a need to shed some light on

2002
01:08:14,710 --> 01:08:12,720
this topic that wasn't there before

2003
01:08:15,589 --> 01:08:14,720
because if they don't come out and admit

2004
01:08:17,269 --> 01:08:15,599
something

2005
01:08:18,470 --> 01:08:17,279
you know sooner or later elon musk is

2006
01:08:20,550 --> 01:08:18,480
going to land on mars and what's going

2007
01:08:22,870 --> 01:08:20,560
to happen if he lands next to a pyramid

2008
01:08:25,590 --> 01:08:22,880
or some of these craft that are going up

2009
01:08:27,349 --> 01:08:25,600
into space and some of this technology

2010
01:08:29,110 --> 01:08:27,359
civilian satellite technology there's

2011
01:08:30,870 --> 01:08:29,120
just too many eyes and ears

2012
01:08:32,950 --> 01:08:30,880
that are out there right now that cannot

2013
01:08:34,709 --> 01:08:32,960
be controlled by a select group

2014
01:08:36,070 --> 01:08:34,719
and i think that they've got to get out

2015
01:08:37,749 --> 01:08:36,080
in front of that and i think they're

2016
01:08:38,709 --> 01:08:37,759
having a really hard time figuring out

2017
01:08:40,070 --> 01:08:38,719
the best way

2018
01:08:42,390 --> 01:08:40,080
and i think there's a lot of argument

2019
01:08:43,990 --> 01:08:42,400
internally about what that's going to be

2020
01:08:45,749 --> 01:08:44,000
and so we're going to find something

2021
01:08:46,950 --> 01:08:45,759
here in june in fact there's rumors now

2022
01:08:47,669 --> 01:08:46,960
that the report's going to come out

2023
01:08:51,349 --> 01:08:47,679
early

2024
01:08:53,110 --> 01:08:51,359
so that'll be fun but i i just think it

2025
01:08:55,269 --> 01:08:53,120
they have to scratch the surface more

2026
01:08:56,390 --> 01:08:55,279
than they have but i don't know how much

2027
01:08:58,950 --> 01:08:56,400
that's going to be

2028
01:09:00,309 --> 01:08:58,960
coming up steve bassett says and i work

2029
01:09:02,789 --> 01:09:00,319
very closely with steve

2030
01:09:04,470 --> 01:09:02,799
um and he is of the mind that we're

2031
01:09:06,630 --> 01:09:04,480
going to get to report in june

2032
01:09:07,590 --> 01:09:06,640
and that there is going to be more of a

2033
01:09:10,390 --> 01:09:07,600
push

2034
01:09:11,910 --> 01:09:10,400
for congressional hearings and that it

2035
01:09:13,030 --> 01:09:11,920
will be out of the congressional

2036
01:09:16,390 --> 01:09:13,040
hearings

2037
01:09:17,990 --> 01:09:16,400
that uh come the day that the president

2038
01:09:20,070 --> 01:09:18,000
makes an announcement to the people that

2039
01:09:22,789 --> 01:09:20,080
there is an extraterrestrial presence

2040
01:09:24,470 --> 01:09:22,799
so i could see that we've worked very

2041
01:09:26,630 --> 01:09:24,480
hard to get congressional hearings

2042
01:09:27,990 --> 01:09:26,640
after the citizen hearing on disclosure

2043
01:09:30,309 --> 01:09:28,000
we did the congressional hearing

2044
01:09:31,829 --> 01:09:30,319
initiative where we sent

2045
01:09:34,470 --> 01:09:31,839
steve came over to my house and we

2046
01:09:37,990 --> 01:09:34,480
worked for about two weeks

2047
01:09:40,630 --> 01:09:38,000
making dvds by hand and we made 500 sets

2048
01:09:42,950 --> 01:09:40,640
of the citizen hearing 5 000 discs

2049
01:09:44,870 --> 01:09:42,960
and we packaged them up but we made sure

2050
01:09:46,390 --> 01:09:44,880
that one copy landed in every

2051
01:09:48,390 --> 01:09:46,400
congressional office

2052
01:09:50,229 --> 01:09:48,400
and that was called the yeah it was the

2053
01:09:52,149 --> 01:09:50,239
congressional hearing initiative

2054
01:09:53,349 --> 01:09:52,159
and if we ever get congressional

2055
01:09:55,430 --> 01:09:53,359
hearings it's going to be

2056
01:09:56,709 --> 01:09:55,440
you know work like that that helps spear

2057
01:09:59,270 --> 01:09:56,719
the way

2058
01:10:00,470 --> 01:09:59,280
right kind of almost the grass roots of

2059
01:10:03,590 --> 01:10:00,480
just a few people

2060
01:10:06,630 --> 01:10:03,600
working on this um so

2061
01:10:09,270 --> 01:10:06,640
and in that in that way

2062
01:10:11,030 --> 01:10:09,280
if you think there is some forward

2063
01:10:13,669 --> 01:10:11,040
motion myself

2064
01:10:15,510 --> 01:10:13,679
i think that if the president whoever

2065
01:10:17,189 --> 01:10:15,520
the president may be at the time

2066
01:10:19,189 --> 01:10:17,199
would announce that there is an

2067
01:10:21,990 --> 01:10:19,199
extraterrestrial presence

2068
01:10:23,990 --> 01:10:22,000
i don't think it's going to change our

2069
01:10:25,750 --> 01:10:24,000
society that much unless

2070
01:10:27,590 --> 01:10:25,760
there is a fear factor that would

2071
01:10:29,990 --> 01:10:27,600
somehow uh

2072
01:10:31,910 --> 01:10:30,000
be involved but i mean if if it was

2073
01:10:34,310 --> 01:10:31,920
approached in a way that hey

2074
01:10:36,070 --> 01:10:34,320
um it's extraterrestrial and we think

2075
01:10:37,030 --> 01:10:36,080
they've been visiting us for thousands

2076
01:10:39,750 --> 01:10:37,040
of years

2077
01:10:40,950 --> 01:10:39,760
then that may relax people enough where

2078
01:10:42,709 --> 01:10:40,960
you know i don't think there's going to

2079
01:10:45,669 --> 01:10:42,719
be the big meltdown that they used to

2080
01:10:47,830 --> 01:10:45,679
talk about

2081
01:10:49,510 --> 01:10:47,840
yeah i i think it's really going to

2082
01:10:50,790 --> 01:10:49,520
determine on how they be determined by

2083
01:10:54,149 --> 01:10:50,800
how they frame it

2084
01:10:54,470 --> 01:10:54,159
if they can say that yeah these things

2085
01:10:56,310 --> 01:10:54,480
are

2086
01:10:58,070 --> 01:10:56,320
in our airspace they operate with

2087
01:10:59,110 --> 01:10:58,080
impunity they don't appear to mean us

2088
01:11:00,870 --> 01:10:59,120
any harm

2089
01:11:02,950 --> 01:11:00,880
that's a little sketchy you might have

2090
01:11:06,790 --> 01:11:02,960
some you know some very

2091
01:11:08,070 --> 01:11:06,800
uh non-favorable reactions to that if we

2092
01:11:09,510 --> 01:11:08,080
say they're a threat and we don't know

2093
01:11:12,310 --> 01:11:09,520
what they want

2094
01:11:14,310 --> 01:11:12,320
then that's even worse if we say you

2095
01:11:15,030 --> 01:11:14,320
know we've been contacted on a limited

2096
01:11:17,430 --> 01:11:15,040
basis and

2097
01:11:19,430 --> 01:11:17,440
assured that that we are not a threat to

2098
01:11:21,270 --> 01:11:19,440
them and they are not a threat to us and

2099
01:11:22,550 --> 01:11:21,280
you know that's all we know then that's

2100
01:11:24,390 --> 01:11:22,560
going to get a different kind of

2101
01:11:25,030 --> 01:11:24,400
reaction so i think it depends on how it

2102
01:11:26,630 --> 01:11:25,040
gets framed

2103
01:11:28,950 --> 01:11:26,640
what the reality is because we don't

2104
01:11:30,630 --> 01:11:28,960
know we know that there's probably an

2105
01:11:32,229 --> 01:11:30,640
extraterrestrial presence engaging the

2106
01:11:33,830 --> 01:11:32,239
human race probably several

2107
01:11:35,510 --> 01:11:33,840
and we know the government knows a lot

2108
01:11:37,270 --> 01:11:35,520
more than they're telling i think i'd

2109
01:11:39,270 --> 01:11:37,280
sign on to that one

2110
01:11:41,750 --> 01:11:39,280
but we don't know what they know and we

2111
01:11:42,310 --> 01:11:41,760
don't know what the ultimate endgame for

2112
01:11:45,510 --> 01:11:42,320
these

2113
01:11:47,189 --> 01:11:45,520
uh races is so

2114
01:11:49,750 --> 01:11:47,199
what they tell us and how they frame it

2115
01:11:52,830 --> 01:11:49,760
is going to determine the reaction

2116
01:11:55,350 --> 01:11:52,840
also it's almost like we're talking

2117
01:11:57,030 --> 01:11:55,360
about were

2118
01:11:58,470 --> 01:11:57,040
one world here when we're only talking

2119
01:12:00,229 --> 01:11:58,480
about one country

2120
01:12:02,630 --> 01:12:00,239
you know every other country in the

2121
01:12:04,630 --> 01:12:02,640
world that is looking or has looked into

2122
01:12:07,910 --> 01:12:04,640
this topic has just as much

2123
01:12:08,790 --> 01:12:07,920
of an opportunity to be the first to

2124
01:12:11,350 --> 01:12:08,800
come out and

2125
01:12:11,910 --> 01:12:11,360
and say what they know you know i mean

2126
01:12:13,430 --> 01:12:11,920
uh

2127
01:12:15,510 --> 01:12:13,440
we're not necessarily going to be the

2128
01:12:17,189 --> 01:12:15,520
the first one that's going to come out

2129
01:12:19,830 --> 01:12:17,199
and actually say

2130
01:12:21,510 --> 01:12:19,840
this is what's going on well see that's

2131
01:12:22,070 --> 01:12:21,520
why i think it'll be like a domino

2132
01:12:24,470 --> 01:12:22,080
effect

2133
01:12:26,470 --> 01:12:24,480
you know if it if it happens that's why

2134
01:12:29,110 --> 01:12:26,480
i think there's a certain amount of of

2135
01:12:31,110 --> 01:12:29,120
uh credibility to the idea that this

2136
01:12:33,350 --> 01:12:31,120
whole topic is being managed by

2137
01:12:35,510 --> 01:12:33,360
a very elite very shadowy group on a

2138
01:12:35,990 --> 01:12:35,520
worldwide basis probably by some kind of

2139
01:12:39,830 --> 01:12:36,000
treaty

2140
01:12:41,750 --> 01:12:39,840
unspoken or not because the lid has been

2141
01:12:43,830 --> 01:12:41,760
kept on this topic

2142
01:12:45,510 --> 01:12:43,840
through all of the world governments to

2143
01:12:48,709 --> 01:12:45,520
a great degree

2144
01:12:50,870 --> 01:12:48,719
and that could not be done spontaneously

2145
01:12:52,229 --> 01:12:50,880
and so i think that the i've always

2146
01:12:54,870 --> 01:12:52,239
entertained the idea

2147
01:12:55,910 --> 01:12:54,880
that there was a group such as mj12 that

2148
01:12:57,750 --> 01:12:55,920
was formed

2149
01:12:59,910 --> 01:12:57,760
and that these are the guys that manage

2150
01:13:01,350 --> 01:12:59,920
this and they do so on a global basis

2151
01:13:02,950 --> 01:13:01,360
with the cooperation of global

2152
01:13:04,870 --> 01:13:02,960
governments

2153
01:13:06,550 --> 01:13:04,880
but how could they have cooperation if

2154
01:13:09,030 --> 01:13:06,560
the government didn't want

2155
01:13:10,470 --> 01:13:09,040
to cooperate and who would who would

2156
01:13:12,149 --> 01:13:10,480
head it would it be like something like

2157
01:13:12,790 --> 01:13:12,159
the united nations or something i mean

2158
01:13:16,149 --> 01:13:12,800
how

2159
01:13:18,950 --> 01:13:16,159
something like that i mean it seems like

2160
01:13:20,630 --> 01:13:18,960
it could be out of balance so quickly

2161
01:13:22,390 --> 01:13:20,640
well the same way we've managed to keep

2162
01:13:23,910 --> 01:13:22,400
the secret you know the catholic church

2163
01:13:25,590 --> 01:13:23,920
knows that there's an extraterrestrial

2164
01:13:26,630 --> 01:13:25,600
presence they know that it goes back far

2165
01:13:28,390 --> 01:13:26,640
in our history

2166
01:13:30,229 --> 01:13:28,400
they've got archives that they will not

2167
01:13:33,270 --> 01:13:30,239
show so there

2168
01:13:35,270 --> 01:13:33,280
is on at some level in governments

2169
01:13:36,790 --> 01:13:35,280
there are people that have been

2170
01:13:39,430 --> 01:13:36,800
appointed by each government

2171
01:13:40,470 --> 01:13:39,440
to be responsible for this and those

2172
01:13:42,149 --> 01:13:40,480
people

2173
01:13:44,390 --> 01:13:42,159
especially if you look back all the way

2174
01:13:45,350 --> 01:13:44,400
back to the roswell days and the days

2175
01:13:46,950 --> 01:13:45,360
before that

2176
01:13:48,550 --> 01:13:46,960
it's not a stretch to think that those

2177
01:13:50,070 --> 01:13:48,560
people country by country have gotten

2178
01:13:52,310 --> 01:13:50,080
together and had this conversation and

2179
01:13:55,590 --> 01:13:52,320
come to these agreements

2180
01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:55,600
it would make sense that a sophisticated

2181
01:13:58,390 --> 01:13:56,400
group

2182
01:13:59,510 --> 01:13:58,400
managed this phenomenon and it would

2183
01:14:02,470 --> 01:13:59,520
make sense that

2184
01:14:03,590 --> 01:14:02,480
the uh the agreement that it has to stay

2185
01:14:06,790 --> 01:14:03,600
in secrecy

2186
01:14:10,550 --> 01:14:06,800
uh is obviously for a profound reason

2187
01:14:12,229 --> 01:14:10,560
and so if the phenomenon is real

2188
01:14:13,750 --> 01:14:12,239
and if there is no such structure in

2189
01:14:15,270 --> 01:14:13,760
place then it seems to me that these

2190
01:14:15,910 --> 01:14:15,280
countries that say they're wide open

2191
01:14:17,350 --> 01:14:15,920
about it

2192
01:14:19,030 --> 01:14:17,360
would be coming up with a lot better

2193
01:14:20,149 --> 01:14:19,040
evidence you can't say the usa is the

2194
01:14:22,470 --> 01:14:20,159
only place

2195
01:14:23,350 --> 01:14:22,480
uh uh extraterrestrial spacecraft may

2196
01:14:24,630 --> 01:14:23,360
have crashed it's

2197
01:14:26,310 --> 01:14:24,640
it's happened in all kinds of other

2198
01:14:28,149 --> 01:14:26,320
countries and even the countries that

2199
01:14:30,630 --> 01:14:28,159
say hey we're going to open the files

2200
01:14:31,910 --> 01:14:30,640
what do those aisles contain not much

2201
01:14:34,229 --> 01:14:31,920
and we know there's more

2202
01:14:35,910 --> 01:14:34,239
so something's going on that is is some

2203
01:14:39,270 --> 01:14:35,920
sort of an orchestrated effort

2204
01:14:41,350 --> 01:14:39,280
to control the secret yeah

2205
01:14:42,790 --> 01:14:41,360
um i would have to try to you know you

2206
01:14:44,229 --> 01:14:42,800
try to figure these if you're trying to

2207
01:14:47,350 --> 01:14:44,239
figure these things out

2208
01:14:50,550 --> 01:14:47,360
what would be the mindset of

2209
01:14:52,310 --> 01:14:50,560
whoever organized this and what would

2210
01:14:54,870 --> 01:14:52,320
their advantage there always seems like

2211
01:14:57,189 --> 01:14:54,880
there has to be an advantage for someone

2212
01:14:58,709 --> 01:14:57,199
uh you know personal advantage in some

2213
01:15:01,910 --> 01:14:58,719
type of way

2214
01:15:05,030 --> 01:15:01,920
or uh or is this you know

2215
01:15:08,149 --> 01:15:05,040
anchored in some government like ours

2216
01:15:09,270 --> 01:15:08,159
where there's funding uh appropriated

2217
01:15:11,189 --> 01:15:09,280
for it or something

2218
01:15:12,870 --> 01:15:11,199
it's it's it's kind of hard to figure

2219
01:15:14,870 --> 01:15:12,880
out an incentive

2220
01:15:15,990 --> 01:15:14,880
to keep something like this quiet if

2221
01:15:17,270 --> 01:15:16,000
it's known

2222
01:15:19,350 --> 01:15:17,280
well you know that they say about

2223
01:15:20,950 --> 01:15:19,360
government programs they just it's the

2224
01:15:23,510 --> 01:15:20,960
same kind of situation

2225
01:15:24,310 --> 01:15:23,520
once it started it's hard to stop so if

2226
01:15:26,149 --> 01:15:24,320
you're dealing with

2227
01:15:27,990 --> 01:15:26,159
something that happened back in the 40s

2228
01:15:29,430 --> 01:15:28,000
and this group was convened to do this

2229
01:15:30,149 --> 01:15:29,440
and over time they got more and more

2230
01:15:33,110 --> 01:15:30,159
power

2231
01:15:34,470 --> 01:15:33,120
more and more autonomy and you know we

2232
01:15:36,229 --> 01:15:34,480
know that it was concluded by the

2233
01:15:36,630 --> 01:15:36,239
robertson panel that even if this was

2234
01:15:38,070 --> 01:15:36,640
real

2235
01:15:40,229 --> 01:15:38,080
it would have a negative effect on

2236
01:15:41,350 --> 01:15:40,239
society so they could have started off

2237
01:15:44,310 --> 01:15:41,360
with this innocent

2238
01:15:45,270 --> 01:15:44,320
a agenda as we have to keep a lid on

2239
01:15:47,350 --> 01:15:45,280
this so we have to

2240
01:15:48,709 --> 01:15:47,360
have whole entire operations to debunk

2241
01:15:50,950 --> 01:15:48,719
it and there's

2242
01:15:52,950 --> 01:15:50,960
and then you know maybe that wasn't

2243
01:15:54,149 --> 01:15:52,960
supposed to be the way it was but then

2244
01:15:56,310 --> 01:15:54,159
we had the cold war

2245
01:15:57,189 --> 01:15:56,320
and we had we had other things that

2246
01:15:59,590 --> 01:15:57,199
caused

2247
01:16:00,229 --> 01:15:59,600
delays in the ability to really come out

2248
01:16:01,910 --> 01:16:00,239
with this stuff

2249
01:16:03,830 --> 01:16:01,920
you know if you're up against an

2250
01:16:05,910 --> 01:16:03,840
adversary that might nuke you

2251
01:16:07,350 --> 01:16:05,920
off the planet it's a bad time to

2252
01:16:08,310 --> 01:16:07,360
mention that yeah we have all this

2253
01:16:10,390 --> 01:16:08,320
technology

2254
01:16:11,350 --> 01:16:10,400
so there's a lot of reasons why once the

2255
01:16:13,510 --> 01:16:11,360
secret was

2256
01:16:16,149 --> 01:16:13,520
was committed to and once the apparatus

2257
01:16:18,870 --> 01:16:16,159
was put in place to maintain the secret

2258
01:16:19,270 --> 01:16:18,880
there's a lot of of reason to understand

2259
01:16:21,189 --> 01:16:19,280
why

2260
01:16:22,950 --> 01:16:21,199
they just never got around to unraveling

2261
01:16:24,550 --> 01:16:22,960
the secret it was just never the right

2262
01:16:25,350 --> 01:16:24,560
time and it was never an easy thing to

2263
01:16:27,350 --> 01:16:25,360
do

2264
01:16:29,669 --> 01:16:27,360
and it's gotten harder and harder over

2265
01:16:30,950 --> 01:16:29,679
time especially when this whole group

2266
01:16:34,229 --> 01:16:30,960
its dna was

2267
01:16:35,430 --> 01:16:34,239
was formed to manage the secret it was a

2268
01:16:38,070 --> 01:16:35,440
group formed

2269
01:16:39,830 --> 01:16:38,080
out of the perceived need for secrecy

2270
01:16:41,669 --> 01:16:39,840
and they got more and more powerful

2271
01:16:43,910 --> 01:16:41,679
and deeper and deeper and there was just

2272
01:16:46,149 --> 01:16:43,920
never a time to unwind it

2273
01:16:48,229 --> 01:16:46,159
that worked and now they're up against

2274
01:16:50,149 --> 01:16:48,239
the realization that sooner or later

2275
01:16:51,430 --> 01:16:50,159
irrefutable evidence is going to come to

2276
01:16:53,669 --> 01:16:51,440
light and

2277
01:16:55,030 --> 01:16:53,679
if they're not in front of it then

2278
01:16:55,590 --> 01:16:55,040
they're not going to be able to manage

2279
01:16:59,669 --> 01:16:55,600
it

2280
01:17:00,310 --> 01:16:59,679
not saying that i believe that that's

2281
01:17:02,149 --> 01:17:00,320
100

2282
01:17:03,590 --> 01:17:02,159
true but i've spent a lot of time

2283
01:17:05,110 --> 01:17:03,600
thinking about all this stuff and the

2284
01:17:06,310 --> 01:17:05,120
conversations i've had with people and

2285
01:17:08,870 --> 01:17:06,320
researchers

2286
01:17:11,430 --> 01:17:08,880
and other people that are inside and it

2287
01:17:14,830 --> 01:17:11,440
makes a lot of sense

2288
01:17:17,910 --> 01:17:14,840
um so if

2289
01:17:21,030 --> 01:17:17,920
if uh if they knew

2290
01:17:24,470 --> 01:17:21,040
like that if this came out um

2291
01:17:27,510 --> 01:17:24,480
eventually do you think that

2292
01:17:31,189 --> 01:17:27,520
also there has been you know the

2293
01:17:34,550 --> 01:17:31,199
the uh rumored but backed um

2294
01:17:37,030 --> 01:17:34,560
engineering on some you know i mean that

2295
01:17:38,229 --> 01:17:37,040
what they talk about the technology you

2296
01:17:40,229 --> 01:17:38,239
know that uh

2297
01:17:41,830 --> 01:17:40,239
has come out like fiber optics there's

2298
01:17:43,669 --> 01:17:41,840
one of those things that they say oh you

2299
01:17:45,350 --> 01:17:43,679
know that was a technology that was

2300
01:17:47,030 --> 01:17:45,360
back engineered you know and stuff like

2301
01:17:48,950 --> 01:17:47,040
that um

2302
01:17:50,709 --> 01:17:48,960
do you think that there is that any of

2303
01:17:52,950 --> 01:17:50,719
that technology i mean this is an

2304
01:17:54,550 --> 01:17:52,960
opinion i'm asking

2305
01:17:56,070 --> 01:17:54,560
well i think the stories make sense i

2306
01:17:57,590 --> 01:17:56,080
know that you know when philip corso

2307
01:17:59,350 --> 01:17:57,600
wrote the day after roswell

2308
01:18:00,870 --> 01:17:59,360
he basically laid this stuff out but

2309
01:18:03,189 --> 01:18:00,880
then a lot of people have just

2310
01:18:04,709 --> 01:18:03,199
don't think that he has that credibility

2311
01:18:06,630 --> 01:18:04,719
the jury's out on

2312
01:18:07,750 --> 01:18:06,640
in my book on corso i don't know either

2313
01:18:09,669 --> 01:18:07,760
way

2314
01:18:11,270 --> 01:18:09,679
i've talked to a lot of people that

2315
01:18:12,070 --> 01:18:11,280
really really support his story and i've

2316
01:18:15,430 --> 01:18:12,080
talked to other people

2317
01:18:15,990 --> 01:18:15,440
that say that it's not you know not true

2318
01:18:18,709 --> 01:18:16,000
at all

2319
01:18:20,149 --> 01:18:18,719
so but you know what do you think about

2320
01:18:23,350 --> 01:18:20,159
that but then when you think

2321
01:18:25,510 --> 01:18:23,360
what would a government do

2322
01:18:27,830 --> 01:18:25,520
if they recovered debris from say a

2323
01:18:28,870 --> 01:18:27,840
roswell they would do exactly what corso

2324
01:18:31,030 --> 01:18:28,880
described they would

2325
01:18:32,390 --> 01:18:31,040
they would secrete the stuff away they

2326
01:18:34,630 --> 01:18:32,400
would put it under management

2327
01:18:36,070 --> 01:18:34,640
by a group that wasn't talking to people

2328
01:18:37,110 --> 01:18:36,080
and then they would secretly start

2329
01:18:38,950 --> 01:18:37,120
handing it out

2330
01:18:40,229 --> 01:18:38,960
to people in industry that might be able

2331
01:18:43,430 --> 01:18:40,239
to do something with it

2332
01:18:44,229 --> 01:18:43,440
and so it's certainly possible even

2333
01:18:46,310 --> 01:18:44,239
likely

2334
01:18:48,709 --> 01:18:46,320
that some of these technologies came

2335
01:18:51,430 --> 01:18:48,719
from from this we had a big leap

2336
01:18:53,750 --> 01:18:51,440
in technology right after roswell we

2337
01:18:55,510 --> 01:18:53,760
know that the nitinol

2338
01:18:57,270 --> 01:18:55,520
memory retaining alloy came out of a

2339
01:18:59,350 --> 01:18:57,280
naval weapons research lab

2340
01:19:00,310 --> 01:18:59,360
and it was discovered supposedly by

2341
01:19:01,750 --> 01:19:00,320
accident

2342
01:19:03,510 --> 01:19:01,760
so you know that kind of by

2343
01:19:06,310 --> 01:19:03,520
circumstantial evidence supports that

2344
01:19:10,310 --> 01:19:09,030
at this person keeps uh keeps posting

2345
01:19:11,990 --> 01:19:10,320
the same question

2346
01:19:13,830 --> 01:19:12,000
and i was unaware of it maybe you've

2347
01:19:15,830 --> 01:19:13,840
heard about it but uh

2348
01:19:17,910 --> 01:19:15,840
uh scott want to know what are your

2349
01:19:19,669 --> 01:19:17,920
thoughts on the deleting of elizondo's

2350
01:19:20,790 --> 01:19:19,679
emails i haven't heard about that have

2351
01:19:23,110 --> 01:19:20,800
you

2352
01:19:24,790 --> 01:19:23,120
i haven't but if it's if it's his

2353
01:19:26,070 --> 01:19:24,800
pentagon emails well certainly they're

2354
01:19:28,070 --> 01:19:26,080
going to get deleted by the defense

2355
01:19:31,590 --> 01:19:28,080
department once he steps down

2356
01:19:34,149 --> 01:19:31,600
um lou is in a very very precarious

2357
01:19:35,910 --> 01:19:34,159
place i do not envy him at all

2358
01:19:38,229 --> 01:19:35,920
him and christopher mellon and the

2359
01:19:39,990 --> 01:19:38,239
people that are trying to navigate

2360
01:19:41,510 --> 01:19:40,000
this are playing a game of

2361
01:19:44,709 --> 01:19:41,520
three-dimensional chess

2362
01:19:47,750 --> 01:19:44,719
uh with a very old establishment

2363
01:19:49,510 --> 01:19:47,760
and you know i've got some some footage

2364
01:19:49,990 --> 01:19:49,520
of lou where where we were talking about

2365
01:19:52,229 --> 01:19:50,000
things and

2366
01:19:53,750 --> 01:19:52,239
he certainly said some things that uh

2367
01:19:55,270 --> 01:19:53,760
really lead me to believe

2368
01:19:57,030 --> 01:19:55,280
and agree that he knows a lot of stuff

2369
01:19:58,950 --> 01:19:57,040
that he's unable to tell

2370
01:20:00,390 --> 01:19:58,960
and i asked him about that you know i'm

2371
01:20:02,550 --> 01:20:00,400
like well don't you think you owe this

2372
01:20:04,709 --> 01:20:02,560
knowledge to humanity if you have it

2373
01:20:06,229 --> 01:20:04,719
and his reply was no i'm a patriot i'm a

2374
01:20:09,430 --> 01:20:06,239
soldier i took an oath

2375
01:20:11,669 --> 01:20:09,440
and that is the code by which i live so

2376
01:20:13,270 --> 01:20:11,679
it's got to be really really hard for

2377
01:20:15,350 --> 01:20:13,280
somebody like him

2378
01:20:17,110 --> 01:20:15,360
to have to balance that you have

2379
01:20:17,990 --> 01:20:17,120
information you know it would be a game

2380
01:20:20,470 --> 01:20:18,000
changer if if

2381
01:20:23,189 --> 01:20:20,480
you could release it but you can't and

2382
01:20:25,350 --> 01:20:23,199
so you have to navigate these waters

2383
01:20:26,870 --> 01:20:25,360
in such a way that you're pushing for

2384
01:20:29,750 --> 01:20:26,880
this stuff to come out

2385
01:20:30,310 --> 01:20:29,760
and but but you can't just come on tv

2386
01:20:32,310 --> 01:20:30,320
and say

2387
01:20:34,229 --> 01:20:32,320
everything that you know so it's got to

2388
01:20:37,110 --> 01:20:34,239
be tough and the other thing is

2389
01:20:37,830 --> 01:20:37,120
is that we know from uh lou hiring danny

2390
01:20:39,750 --> 01:20:37,840
sheehan

2391
01:20:41,990 --> 01:20:39,760
and going after the inspector general

2392
01:20:43,750 --> 01:20:42,000
that he is dealing with

2393
01:20:45,030 --> 01:20:43,760
a big faction inside the pentagon that

2394
01:20:46,390 --> 01:20:45,040
wants to shut him down

2395
01:20:48,390 --> 01:20:46,400
and wants this whole thing to just go

2396
01:20:50,070 --> 01:20:48,400
away so

2397
01:20:52,149 --> 01:20:50,080
when he came out saying that he was the

2398
01:20:53,830 --> 01:20:52,159
guy from atip the pentagon actually put

2399
01:20:54,470 --> 01:20:53,840
out a release and said no he never ran

2400
01:20:56,070 --> 01:20:54,480
atip

2401
01:20:57,910 --> 01:20:56,080
and harry reid had to write a letter

2402
01:21:00,790 --> 01:20:57,920
verifying that of course he did

2403
01:21:02,310 --> 01:21:00,800
so there is internal stuff and lou has

2404
01:21:03,990 --> 01:21:02,320
taken a lot of risk

2405
01:21:06,550 --> 01:21:04,000
and so as far as his emails being

2406
01:21:07,590 --> 01:21:06,560
deleted any kind of official emails i i

2407
01:21:10,070 --> 01:21:07,600
can believe it

2408
01:21:11,189 --> 01:21:10,080
um i'll look more into that story but it

2409
01:21:14,310 --> 01:21:11,199
makes sense that

2410
01:21:18,149 --> 01:21:14,320
that they would be spirited away um

2411
01:21:21,590 --> 01:21:18,159
so yeah well um someone in the chat

2412
01:21:25,510 --> 01:21:21,600
said um that it's a regulation basically

2413
01:21:29,110 --> 01:21:25,520
um they admit that they're not to delete

2414
01:21:31,590 --> 01:21:29,120
um the mailbox uh where did he put it

2415
01:21:33,430 --> 01:21:31,600
something about seven years they're not

2416
01:21:36,550 --> 01:21:33,440
supposed to i don't know

2417
01:21:38,149 --> 01:21:36,560
well you know my guess is that uh his

2418
01:21:39,510 --> 01:21:38,159
emails weren't deleted they were just

2419
01:21:41,990 --> 01:21:39,520
made inaccessible

2420
01:21:43,430 --> 01:21:42,000
um there's there's stories out there and

2421
01:21:45,430 --> 01:21:43,440
i don't want to speculate

2422
01:21:47,030 --> 01:21:45,440
but there's stories out there about his

2423
01:21:48,390 --> 01:21:47,040
security clearance being threatened and

2424
01:21:50,390 --> 01:21:48,400
all kinds of other stuff

2425
01:21:51,430 --> 01:21:50,400
uh lou's emails are probably highly

2426
01:21:53,590 --> 01:21:51,440
sensitive

2427
01:21:54,629 --> 01:21:53,600
and they may have just been sequestered

2428
01:21:57,270 --> 01:21:54,639
away uh

2429
01:21:58,950 --> 01:21:57,280
to where access to him is extremely

2430
01:22:01,030 --> 01:21:58,960
controlled

2431
01:22:03,189 --> 01:22:01,040
do you think that if he didn't start

2432
01:22:04,070 --> 01:22:03,199
coming out with any of this stuff on his

2433
01:22:06,070 --> 01:22:04,080
own

2434
01:22:07,590 --> 01:22:06,080
that uh we'd be in the same place that

2435
01:22:09,910 --> 01:22:07,600
we were in to begin with

2436
01:22:11,430 --> 01:22:09,920
um do you think he's like the major

2437
01:22:13,990 --> 01:22:11,440
force in this or do you think it would

2438
01:22:16,709 --> 01:22:14,000
have moved along anyway

2439
01:22:17,270 --> 01:22:16,719
i think he's still working um i think

2440
01:22:19,510 --> 01:22:17,280
that the

2441
01:22:20,629 --> 01:22:19,520
this is strictly conjecture on my part

2442
01:22:22,390 --> 01:22:20,639
but i think that

2443
01:22:23,750 --> 01:22:22,400
what we've seen since the announcement

2444
01:22:26,550 --> 01:22:23,760
of ttsa

2445
01:22:28,070 --> 01:22:26,560
is an orchestrated process to get us

2446
01:22:29,270 --> 01:22:28,080
closer to disclosure

2447
01:22:30,950 --> 01:22:29,280
and unfortunately it's being

2448
01:22:31,590 --> 01:22:30,960
orchestrated by the same people that

2449
01:22:33,030 --> 01:22:31,600
have been

2450
01:22:35,189 --> 01:22:33,040
instrumental in keeping this thing a

2451
01:22:37,669 --> 01:22:35,199
secret for as long as it's been

2452
01:22:39,110 --> 01:22:37,679
but i think that you know they they sat

2453
01:22:41,030 --> 01:22:39,120
down and they said well we have to have

2454
01:22:43,030 --> 01:22:41,040
a logical way to go about this

2455
01:22:44,070 --> 01:22:43,040
and he was given a certain amount of

2456
01:22:46,790 --> 01:22:44,080
latitude

2457
01:22:48,310 --> 01:22:46,800
to to start what he's doing no i don't

2458
01:22:50,229 --> 01:22:48,320
think he would have come out

2459
01:22:52,149 --> 01:22:50,239
going on cnn and saying yeah i've worked

2460
01:22:53,189 --> 01:22:52,159
for a secret government program we might

2461
01:22:56,149 --> 01:22:53,199
not be alone

2462
01:22:57,110 --> 01:22:56,159
somebody cleared the way for him to say

2463
01:22:59,189 --> 01:22:57,120
what he said

2464
01:23:01,189 --> 01:22:59,199
and somebody also drew the boundaries

2465
01:23:05,110 --> 01:23:01,199
that govern what he can't say

2466
01:23:07,350 --> 01:23:05,120
and it's not him so there you go

2467
01:23:08,870 --> 01:23:07,360
have you confronted him basically with

2468
01:23:09,510 --> 01:23:08,880
what you just said when you interviewed

2469
01:23:13,430 --> 01:23:09,520
him

2470
01:23:16,550 --> 01:23:13,440
i did and what was his reaction

2471
01:23:17,510 --> 01:23:16,560
well we're gonna we're gonna release

2472
01:23:19,750 --> 01:23:17,520
that video

2473
01:23:21,110 --> 01:23:19,760
uh sometime around symposium i'm not

2474
01:23:22,470 --> 01:23:21,120
going to talk about what it is because

2475
01:23:23,750 --> 01:23:22,480
then i'm just another guy out there

2476
01:23:25,910 --> 01:23:23,760
bloviating

2477
01:23:28,070 --> 01:23:25,920
i have that the proof is in the pudding

2478
01:23:29,990 --> 01:23:28,080
and when i know that it's safe

2479
01:23:31,510 --> 01:23:30,000
for lou and i know that it's safe for

2480
01:23:33,510 --> 01:23:31,520
everybody else

2481
01:23:35,030 --> 01:23:33,520
we will put out what i call the elizondo

2482
01:23:38,229 --> 01:23:35,040
tapes which is

2483
01:23:39,990 --> 01:23:38,239
a combination of um

2484
01:23:41,910 --> 01:23:40,000
interviews and and segments with lu

2485
01:23:43,990 --> 01:23:41,920
elizondo some that i made and some that

2486
01:23:45,990 --> 01:23:44,000
i've been given access to

2487
01:23:49,350 --> 01:23:46,000
that tell a very interesting story when

2488
01:23:52,709 --> 01:23:49,360
you connect the dots

2489
01:23:55,669 --> 01:23:52,719
okay uh we have someone from that worked

2490
01:23:56,870 --> 01:23:55,679
in the defense department um in chat and

2491
01:23:58,629 --> 01:23:56,880
uh he's gonna

2492
01:24:00,950 --> 01:23:58,639
i just asked him to elaborate more on

2493
01:24:02,470 --> 01:24:00,960
the emails um he would know the inside

2494
01:24:04,070 --> 01:24:02,480
story and something like that

2495
01:24:06,070 --> 01:24:04,080
yeah because i don't know enough about

2496
01:24:07,750 --> 01:24:06,080
i'm just my response to that is just

2497
01:24:08,870 --> 01:24:07,760
kind of like well it's logical that

2498
01:24:10,870 --> 01:24:08,880
certainly they'd be made

2499
01:24:12,950 --> 01:24:10,880
unaccessible that i'd have to do some

2500
01:24:15,189 --> 01:24:12,960
more studying on this particular story

2501
01:24:16,870 --> 01:24:15,199
to really have any kind of qualified

2502
01:24:20,070 --> 01:24:16,880
right yeah

2503
01:24:22,870 --> 01:24:20,080
so um i would like for uh kevin to

2504
01:24:23,990 --> 01:24:22,880
uh in chat if he would elaborate more on

2505
01:24:26,149 --> 01:24:24,000
that it would be

2506
01:24:27,430 --> 01:24:26,159
interesting and i can put that up on the

2507
01:24:29,910 --> 01:24:27,440
screen just because

2508
01:24:31,830 --> 01:24:29,920
this would be a person that would really

2509
01:24:35,510 --> 01:24:31,840
really understand how that works

2510
01:24:38,229 --> 01:24:35,520
um well you know i think

2511
01:24:39,270 --> 01:24:38,239
it it will be interesting on how this

2512
01:24:42,390 --> 01:24:39,280
all goes but

2513
01:24:45,030 --> 01:24:42,400
you know i wonder uh you know

2514
01:24:47,350 --> 01:24:45,040
i mentioned last week about uh lou being

2515
01:24:49,270 --> 01:24:47,360
called out as a disinformation

2516
01:24:51,510 --> 01:24:49,280
agent but do you actually think that it

2517
01:24:52,950 --> 01:24:51,520
was kind of a possibility of some type

2518
01:24:55,830 --> 01:24:52,960
of orchestration

2519
01:24:56,229 --> 01:24:55,840
i i do understand that because you know

2520
01:24:59,590 --> 01:24:56,239
when

2521
01:25:00,229 --> 01:24:59,600
ttsa first started um and all that i

2522
01:25:02,870 --> 01:25:00,239
could just

2523
01:25:05,189 --> 01:25:02,880
see that there was something something

2524
01:25:07,430 --> 01:25:05,199
that just seemed a little different

2525
01:25:08,550 --> 01:25:07,440
i couldn't quite put my thumb on it but

2526
01:25:11,669 --> 01:25:08,560
it seemed kind of

2527
01:25:12,709 --> 01:25:11,679
unusual um and that it's always been a

2528
01:25:16,390 --> 01:25:12,719
little bit

2529
01:25:18,310 --> 01:25:16,400
of a question mark that whole situation

2530
01:25:19,990 --> 01:25:18,320
you know before i go into that i just

2531
01:25:21,270 --> 01:25:20,000
popped over to the chat and i see this

2532
01:25:23,430 --> 01:25:21,280
goof on guy

2533
01:25:25,030 --> 01:25:23,440
and he said ride that elizondo wave to

2534
01:25:26,870 --> 01:25:25,040
the top and

2535
01:25:29,430 --> 01:25:26,880
you know what i have to say to that is

2536
01:25:31,030 --> 01:25:29,440
i've had this footage since 2017

2537
01:25:32,709 --> 01:25:31,040
and i haven't released it out of

2538
01:25:34,709 --> 01:25:32,719
consideration to lou

2539
01:25:36,470 --> 01:25:34,719
and out of letting things unfold and i

2540
01:25:36,870 --> 01:25:36,480
have not tried to capitalize on it at

2541
01:25:38,470 --> 01:25:36,880
all

2542
01:25:40,709 --> 01:25:38,480
and i'm still not going to put it out

2543
01:25:42,229 --> 01:25:40,719
until uh there's a situation where

2544
01:25:44,229 --> 01:25:42,239
everybody's in alignment so if i wanted

2545
01:25:44,950 --> 01:25:44,239
to capitalize and ride the luella's onto

2546
01:25:47,990 --> 01:25:44,960
a wave

2547
01:25:48,870 --> 01:25:48,000
i got the biggest surfboard so no i

2548
01:25:51,110 --> 01:25:48,880
haven't done that

2549
01:25:53,110 --> 01:25:51,120
and and uh you know i'm sorry you think

2550
01:25:55,110 --> 01:25:53,120
that

2551
01:25:56,149 --> 01:25:55,120
okay yeah we have a we have an active

2552
01:25:58,470 --> 01:25:56,159
chat tonight

2553
01:26:00,070 --> 01:25:58,480
and oh i see my friend mark stanley's in

2554
01:26:02,070 --> 01:26:00,080
there he's a great musician

2555
01:26:03,189 --> 01:26:02,080
uh hi mark i hope you're doing hi mark

2556
01:26:05,910 --> 01:26:03,199
all right so

2557
01:26:07,350 --> 01:26:05,920
uh kevin uh kevin childress is who i was

2558
01:26:10,070 --> 01:26:07,360
talking about earlier

2559
01:26:11,910 --> 01:26:10,080
um all email and this this gentleman

2560
01:26:14,550 --> 01:26:11,920
would know all emails are kept for

2561
01:26:15,750 --> 01:26:14,560
a defined period for defined periods

2562
01:26:18,550 --> 01:26:15,760
anything like

2563
01:26:19,270 --> 01:26:18,560
this will be kept indefinitely the email

2564
01:26:21,110 --> 01:26:19,280
account

2565
01:26:23,270 --> 01:26:21,120
is shut down but the emails don't go

2566
01:26:25,510 --> 01:26:23,280
away so i'm wondering

2567
01:26:27,430 --> 01:26:25,520
uh i don't i haven't seen this report

2568
01:26:29,590 --> 01:26:27,440
where his emails were deleted so

2569
01:26:30,629 --> 01:26:29,600
i'm only going by what's popping in on

2570
01:26:32,310 --> 01:26:30,639
chat um

2571
01:26:36,229 --> 01:26:32,320
it would be interesting to look into

2572
01:26:37,990 --> 01:26:36,239
that a little deeper

2573
01:26:40,149 --> 01:26:38,000
yeah for sure so i'm i'm looking at this

2574
01:26:43,189 --> 01:26:40,159
right now it's on uh john greenwald's

2575
01:26:43,590 --> 01:26:43,199
uh site the black vault oh yeah i see

2576
01:26:47,669 --> 01:26:43,600
that

2577
01:26:48,870 --> 01:26:47,679
thing is is

2578
01:26:50,870 --> 01:26:48,880
yeah i'm gonna have to look into this a

2579
01:26:52,790 --> 01:26:50,880
little bit more uh obviously

2580
01:26:54,950 --> 01:26:52,800
breaking news yeah these you know these

2581
01:26:59,030 --> 01:26:54,960
freedom of information act requests

2582
01:27:01,350 --> 01:26:59,040
especially they take sometimes years and

2583
01:27:02,310 --> 01:27:01,360
for them to say well we deleted them i

2584
01:27:03,910 --> 01:27:02,320
don't know we're gonna have to look into

2585
01:27:06,550 --> 01:27:03,920
that i can't comment on this right now

2586
01:27:09,110 --> 01:27:06,560
it does seem like a pretty fresh story

2587
01:27:09,990 --> 01:27:09,120
yeah hey uh speaking of that you've done

2588
01:27:12,470 --> 01:27:10,000
a lot of uh

2589
01:27:14,870 --> 01:27:12,480
four years um can you talk about how

2590
01:27:17,030 --> 01:27:14,880
successful you've been with those

2591
01:27:18,310 --> 01:27:17,040
i actually haven't done any of those

2592
01:27:20,149 --> 01:27:18,320
mufon does it share

2593
01:27:22,149 --> 01:27:20,159
i i have not personally done it but

2594
01:27:23,750 --> 01:27:22,159
you've reported on it

2595
01:27:25,669 --> 01:27:23,760
yes i saw something you did the

2596
01:27:27,430 --> 01:27:25,679
reporting so yeah well i just reported

2597
01:27:28,310 --> 01:27:27,440
on the ones that that anthony brugalia

2598
01:27:32,229 --> 01:27:28,320
filed about the

2599
01:27:35,590 --> 01:27:32,239
the materials research oh i see

2600
01:27:36,790 --> 01:27:35,600
okay um and

2601
01:27:39,750 --> 01:27:36,800
it seems to me there was some

2602
01:27:43,270 --> 01:27:39,760
controversy about that

2603
01:27:45,110 --> 01:27:43,280
i think that the uh yeah there was um

2604
01:27:46,950 --> 01:27:45,120
not so much about my report i think my

2605
01:27:49,030 --> 01:27:46,960
report covered it from different angles

2606
01:27:51,990 --> 01:27:49,040
i think there was a certain amount of

2607
01:27:53,750 --> 01:27:52,000
uh blowback on anthony brigalia for the

2608
01:27:56,390 --> 01:27:53,760
way he framed everything and some of his

2609
01:27:59,510 --> 01:27:56,400
reporting about it

2610
01:27:59,990 --> 01:27:59,520
which kind of translated into comments

2611
01:28:02,709 --> 01:28:00,000
about my

2612
01:28:04,550 --> 01:28:02,719
story i had people criticizing the story

2613
01:28:06,229 --> 01:28:04,560
that clearly didn't watch it

2614
01:28:07,669 --> 01:28:06,239
so i don't know what to say about that i

2615
01:28:08,550 --> 01:28:07,679
went back and i looked at it several

2616
01:28:11,030 --> 01:28:08,560
times

2617
01:28:13,030 --> 01:28:11,040
and um you know i i still think that it

2618
01:28:16,709 --> 01:28:13,040
was a good piece

2619
01:28:19,669 --> 01:28:16,719
um well um yeah

2620
01:28:20,870 --> 01:28:19,679
so let's see the last time i talked to

2621
01:28:23,030 --> 01:28:20,880
you i can't even

2622
01:28:24,390 --> 01:28:23,040
remember where you were involved in

2623
01:28:26,470 --> 01:28:24,400
something at the time

2624
01:28:28,310 --> 01:28:26,480
and was it do you ever write a book or

2625
01:28:31,189 --> 01:28:28,320
what was it you were doing back then

2626
01:28:33,030 --> 01:28:31,199
or was it just the videos well i did

2627
01:28:34,870 --> 01:28:33,040
have a book that came out in

2628
01:28:36,709 --> 01:28:34,880
when was that that was like 2012 so that

2629
01:28:38,550 --> 01:28:36,719
probably wasn't

2630
01:28:39,910 --> 01:28:38,560
yeah but we i think we did talk about it

2631
01:28:41,430 --> 01:28:39,920
right oh yeah

2632
01:28:43,590 --> 01:28:41,440
yeah i have a book called messiah

2633
01:28:45,510 --> 01:28:43,600
awakenings and it's basically

2634
01:28:47,110 --> 01:28:45,520
the uh the christ energy returns to

2635
01:28:48,950 --> 01:28:47,120
thwart the new world order it's a pretty

2636
01:28:52,070 --> 01:28:48,960
fun book you can find it on kindle

2637
01:28:55,030 --> 01:28:52,080
it's a messiah's colon awakenings

2638
01:28:56,470 --> 01:28:55,040
and what's on there is book one i i

2639
01:28:59,110 --> 01:28:56,480
published it just to

2640
01:28:59,910 --> 01:28:59,120
make sure that i had it out there um and

2641
01:29:01,270 --> 01:28:59,920
it's a

2642
01:29:03,590 --> 01:29:01,280
project i've been developing for a

2643
01:29:05,430 --> 01:29:03,600
really long time uh-huh

2644
01:29:07,270 --> 01:29:05,440
and is that something you do you ever

2645
01:29:08,070 --> 01:29:07,280
consider writing more or was that the

2646
01:29:09,510 --> 01:29:08,080
one

2647
01:29:12,550 --> 01:29:09,520
no i've written the other three but i'm

2648
01:29:13,669 --> 01:29:12,560
i'm i'm doing a film project around it

2649
01:29:15,110 --> 01:29:13,679
with a script and i want to put the

2650
01:29:16,709 --> 01:29:15,120
whole thing out all at the same time

2651
01:29:20,070 --> 01:29:16,719
it's a big story

2652
01:29:23,189 --> 01:29:20,080
obviously fiction but maybe not uh-huh

2653
01:29:24,310 --> 01:29:23,199
huh how about that uh and you know

2654
01:29:26,709 --> 01:29:24,320
getting back to

2655
01:29:28,149 --> 01:29:26,719
what we were talking about earlier and

2656
01:29:29,110 --> 01:29:28,159
you know what the government knows or

2657
01:29:31,350 --> 01:29:29,120
doesn't know

2658
01:29:32,790 --> 01:29:31,360
a lot of times when i talk about like

2659
01:29:35,350 --> 01:29:32,800
when people see

2660
01:29:37,030 --> 01:29:35,360
certain ufos and let's just talk about

2661
01:29:39,510 --> 01:29:37,040
the black triangles that are reported

2662
01:29:41,030 --> 01:29:39,520
so many times that are you know either

2663
01:29:44,070 --> 01:29:41,040
making a humming noise

2664
01:29:44,709 --> 01:29:44,080
or no sound at all uh there seem to be

2665
01:29:47,750 --> 01:29:44,719
floating

2666
01:29:49,430 --> 01:29:47,760
or or gliding uh light in the center

2667
01:29:51,590 --> 01:29:49,440
light on each corner that type of thing

2668
01:29:54,790 --> 01:29:51,600
lots and lots of people have seen these

2669
01:29:55,990 --> 01:29:54,800
um i know um a woman that i work with

2670
01:29:59,430 --> 01:29:56,000
occasionally

2671
01:30:00,950 --> 01:29:59,440
um saw one in 1978 we talked earlier

2672
01:30:03,830 --> 01:30:00,960
about lee spiegel's

2673
01:30:04,390 --> 01:30:03,840
uh ufo sighting that he saw i'll post a

2674
01:30:07,910 --> 01:30:04,400
picture

2675
01:30:10,709 --> 01:30:07,920
of what he uh an illustration

2676
01:30:12,310 --> 01:30:10,719
of what he had seen you know way back

2677
01:30:13,669 --> 01:30:12,320
then in 1975.

2678
01:30:15,830 --> 01:30:13,679
a lot of people when you talk about

2679
01:30:16,709 --> 01:30:15,840
these craft they think they're secret

2680
01:30:19,189 --> 01:30:16,719
military

2681
01:30:20,790 --> 01:30:19,199
that's what you hear over and over again

2682
01:30:22,149 --> 01:30:20,800
it seems to come up that they think

2683
01:30:23,750 --> 01:30:22,159
there's something to do with

2684
01:30:25,830 --> 01:30:23,760
the military and i guess i wanted to

2685
01:30:29,030 --> 01:30:25,840
find out uh what your thoughts

2686
01:30:30,149 --> 01:30:29,040
on the military aspect of this i'm just

2687
01:30:33,110 --> 01:30:30,159
going to pop up these

2688
01:30:34,229 --> 01:30:33,120
beagles uh illustration that daniel

2689
01:30:37,270 --> 01:30:34,239
hickson

2690
01:30:40,229 --> 01:30:37,280
uh did this was the lumberton

2691
01:30:42,310 --> 01:30:40,239
ufo sighting in north carolina back in

2692
01:30:44,550 --> 01:30:42,320
1975 a depiction of that

2693
01:30:45,990 --> 01:30:44,560
with the police officers and there's lee

2694
01:30:47,590 --> 01:30:46,000
spiegel in the center with the light

2695
01:30:49,830 --> 01:30:47,600
beaming down on him he looks like

2696
01:30:51,110 --> 01:30:49,840
cerfico

2697
01:30:52,950 --> 01:30:51,120
i have a picture like that from the

2698
01:30:54,229 --> 01:30:52,960
project blue book cast party they had a

2699
01:30:54,870 --> 01:30:54,239
little thing set up and you could get

2700
01:30:56,390 --> 01:30:54,880
the

2701
01:30:57,910 --> 01:30:56,400
little beam of light coming down

2702
01:31:02,070 --> 01:30:57,920
actually

2703
01:31:05,270 --> 01:31:02,080
it was pretty funny i think anything

2704
01:31:08,149 --> 01:31:05,280
with lights is questionable and

2705
01:31:09,590 --> 01:31:08,159
the reason for that is if you're a super

2706
01:31:11,830 --> 01:31:09,600
advanced race with super advanced

2707
01:31:13,510 --> 01:31:11,840
technology unless you want to be seen

2708
01:31:15,030 --> 01:31:13,520
you don't need to be seen i mean they

2709
01:31:15,990 --> 01:31:15,040
probably have the ability to make these

2710
01:31:17,590 --> 01:31:16,000
craft invisible

2711
01:31:19,430 --> 01:31:17,600
we're close to having that technology

2712
01:31:21,350 --> 01:31:19,440
ourselves so

2713
01:31:22,470 --> 01:31:21,360
when you see things that are that have

2714
01:31:25,110 --> 01:31:22,480
running lights

2715
01:31:26,390 --> 01:31:25,120
uh blinking lights stuff like that i

2716
01:31:28,149 --> 01:31:26,400
tend to be pretty skeptical

2717
01:31:29,510 --> 01:31:28,159
i think that there's been rumors about

2718
01:31:31,110 --> 01:31:29,520
the stealth blimp

2719
01:31:33,510 --> 01:31:31,120
there's been rumors about the i think

2720
01:31:37,110 --> 01:31:33,520
it's called the tr-3b which is a

2721
01:31:40,229 --> 01:31:37,120
anti-gravity ship supposedly so

2722
01:31:43,030 --> 01:31:40,239
when it comes to the triangles i'm my

2723
01:31:44,870 --> 01:31:43,040
inclination is that they are more likely

2724
01:31:48,070 --> 01:31:44,880
to be

2725
01:31:50,950 --> 01:31:48,080
ours than extraterrestrial

2726
01:31:53,669 --> 01:31:50,960
but could they possibly have had this

2727
01:31:56,470 --> 01:31:53,679
technology in 1975

2728
01:31:57,350 --> 01:31:56,480
and kept it out of the public view all

2729
01:31:59,510 --> 01:31:57,360
this time

2730
01:32:01,110 --> 01:31:59,520
and and when it is in the public view

2731
01:32:02,550 --> 01:32:01,120
why would it be

2732
01:32:04,310 --> 01:32:02,560
well it depends what they're using them

2733
01:32:07,830 --> 01:32:04,320
for um

2734
01:32:09,030 --> 01:32:07,840
you know ufos have played a role in

2735
01:32:11,430 --> 01:32:09,040
disinformation

2736
01:32:13,590 --> 01:32:11,440
and the covering up of existing

2737
01:32:17,830 --> 01:32:13,600
technology for a really long time

2738
01:32:19,910 --> 01:32:17,840
so if things are being seen in the sky

2739
01:32:21,270 --> 01:32:19,920
you kind of have to assume that whatever

2740
01:32:24,149 --> 01:32:21,280
is is allowing that

2741
01:32:25,030 --> 01:32:24,159
wants them to be seen i believe that any

2742
01:32:28,149 --> 01:32:25,040
kind of advanced

2743
01:32:29,590 --> 01:32:28,159
extraterrestrial species

2744
01:32:32,149 --> 01:32:29,600
is going to be able to conceal

2745
01:32:36,950 --> 01:32:32,159
themselves if they want to be concealed

2746
01:32:38,709 --> 01:32:36,960
and top-secret government aircraft

2747
01:32:41,270 --> 01:32:38,719
are going to be able to conceal

2748
01:32:43,510 --> 01:32:41,280
themselves if they want to be concealed

2749
01:32:44,550 --> 01:32:43,520
there's a there's an upside to having

2750
01:32:47,110 --> 01:32:44,560
these stories

2751
01:32:48,229 --> 01:32:47,120
if you have people reporting ufos

2752
01:32:50,470 --> 01:32:48,239
thinking they're aliens

2753
01:32:51,910 --> 01:32:50,480
thinking there's no explanation for them

2754
01:32:53,350 --> 01:32:51,920
it gives the government cover for the

2755
01:32:54,709 --> 01:32:53,360
fact that they were testing something

2756
01:32:57,270 --> 01:32:54,719
out in your neighborhood

2757
01:32:58,950 --> 01:32:57,280
so at the end of the day the jury's out

2758
01:33:02,229 --> 01:32:58,960
we don't know for sure

2759
01:33:03,270 --> 01:33:02,239
but like i said anything with lights on

2760
01:33:08,390 --> 01:33:03,280
it

2761
01:33:11,430 --> 01:33:08,400
yeah

2762
01:33:13,030 --> 01:33:11,440
i mean in that case you think either a

2763
01:33:16,470 --> 01:33:13,040
they just don't care

2764
01:33:20,470 --> 01:33:16,480
or um also there is a possibility of

2765
01:33:22,470 --> 01:33:20,480
um you know a propulsion component

2766
01:33:23,990 --> 01:33:22,480
of some of these likes for instance

2767
01:33:25,990 --> 01:33:24,000
there's speculation on

2768
01:33:27,750 --> 01:33:26,000
the big amber light in the center a lot

2769
01:33:28,310 --> 01:33:27,760
of these triangle ufos that people have

2770
01:33:30,070 --> 01:33:28,320
seen

2771
01:33:31,990 --> 01:33:30,080
has something to do with propulsion or

2772
01:33:34,790 --> 01:33:32,000
anti-gravity or whatever it is

2773
01:33:36,149 --> 01:33:34,800
it's doing you know um but do you think

2774
01:33:38,950 --> 01:33:36,159
we could we would actually

2775
01:33:40,149 --> 01:33:38,960
as a government could have an

2776
01:33:42,149 --> 01:33:40,159
anti-gravity

2777
01:33:43,590 --> 01:33:42,159
device i mean think if that really did

2778
01:33:45,830 --> 01:33:43,600
exist how

2779
01:33:47,590 --> 01:33:45,840
uh transportation could be completely

2780
01:33:49,830 --> 01:33:47,600
revolutionary

2781
01:33:51,030 --> 01:33:49,840
um well see that's part of the the whole

2782
01:33:52,390 --> 01:33:51,040
reason that if there's

2783
01:33:54,149 --> 01:33:52,400
if there's a group of people keeping

2784
01:33:56,229 --> 01:33:54,159
this thing a secret that's all part of

2785
01:33:58,629 --> 01:33:56,239
the whole reason they can't come clean

2786
01:33:59,270 --> 01:33:58,639
because keeping that kind of technology

2787
01:34:02,229 --> 01:33:59,280
from

2788
01:34:03,270 --> 01:34:02,239
humanity is almost a crime against

2789
01:34:04,950 --> 01:34:03,280
humanity because

2790
01:34:06,950 --> 01:34:04,960
technology that would cause such a

2791
01:34:08,070 --> 01:34:06,960
quantum leap and such a quantum shift

2792
01:34:09,750 --> 01:34:08,080
for the better

2793
01:34:11,750 --> 01:34:09,760
is pretty unforgivable if you're not

2794
01:34:14,390 --> 01:34:11,760
sharing it and so

2795
01:34:16,470 --> 01:34:14,400
uh there are lots of rumors about the

2796
01:34:17,990 --> 01:34:16,480
existence of anti-gravity craft there's

2797
01:34:19,750 --> 01:34:18,000
a lot of

2798
01:34:21,030 --> 01:34:19,760
stuff going all the way back to the 50s

2799
01:34:22,870 --> 01:34:21,040
and beyond

2800
01:34:24,790 --> 01:34:22,880
where they were studying anti-gravity

2801
01:34:27,030 --> 01:34:24,800
capabilities and so we know that it's

2802
01:34:29,430 --> 01:34:27,040
been on the radar screen for a long time

2803
01:34:31,830 --> 01:34:29,440
and certainly if there's crash retrieval

2804
01:34:34,709 --> 01:34:31,840
items that have been found

2805
01:34:36,629 --> 01:34:34,719
that stuff has been studied so it the

2806
01:34:38,310 --> 01:34:36,639
question is do i think that we may have

2807
01:34:39,669 --> 01:34:38,320
anti-gravity craft i think that that's

2808
01:34:43,030 --> 01:34:39,679
quite possible

2809
01:34:46,149 --> 01:34:43,040
or at least anti-gravity technology

2810
01:34:49,350 --> 01:34:46,159
now i spoke to i spoke to a

2811
01:34:51,270 --> 01:34:49,360
friend in australia she was

2812
01:34:52,390 --> 01:34:51,280
listening to the show in the very early

2813
01:34:55,750 --> 01:34:52,400
times

2814
01:34:58,550 --> 01:34:55,760
and when she was she's

2815
01:34:59,510 --> 01:34:58,560
in her i would say mid 30s maybe a

2816
01:35:02,470 --> 01:34:59,520
little bit older

2817
01:35:04,470 --> 01:35:02,480
when she was just a very young girl um

2818
01:35:09,189 --> 01:35:04,480
she felt like a

2819
01:35:10,790 --> 01:35:09,199
um like a pushing like a force down

2820
01:35:12,229 --> 01:35:10,800
her and her grandmother i think what

2821
01:35:13,590 --> 01:35:12,239
they were gardening

2822
01:35:15,990 --> 01:35:13,600
and they felt like they were being

2823
01:35:17,910 --> 01:35:16,000
pushed to the ground by a force

2824
01:35:20,070 --> 01:35:17,920
and then right over them was this big

2825
01:35:22,470 --> 01:35:20,080
huge triangle the whole thing just like

2826
01:35:24,149 --> 01:35:22,480
i'm mentioning and i think it was uh i

2827
01:35:25,430 --> 01:35:24,159
think it was also in the like the early

2828
01:35:28,470 --> 01:35:25,440
1970s and now

2829
01:35:29,990 --> 01:35:28,480
that's in australia so we're not talking

2830
01:35:32,470 --> 01:35:30,000
a technology if that

2831
01:35:34,470 --> 01:35:32,480
technology existed all the way back

2832
01:35:37,669 --> 01:35:34,480
since 1970s

2833
01:35:40,310 --> 01:35:37,679
um unless we shot down to australia and

2834
01:35:42,390 --> 01:35:40,320
was buzzing around down there

2835
01:35:43,830 --> 01:35:42,400
it's possible that and then you hear

2836
01:35:46,870 --> 01:35:43,840
about um

2837
01:35:49,669 --> 01:35:46,880
uh what is that case in the 1990s in

2838
01:35:50,790 --> 01:35:49,679
um i'm trying to think of the european

2839
01:35:53,910 --> 01:35:50,800
countries

2840
01:35:55,669 --> 01:35:53,920
um i'm just drawing a blank uh word well

2841
01:35:56,070 --> 01:35:55,679
we've got military bases all over the

2842
01:35:58,229 --> 01:35:56,080
place

2843
01:35:59,430 --> 01:35:58,239
and you know one way to test something

2844
01:36:01,030 --> 01:35:59,440
out is you're not going to do it in your

2845
01:36:02,790 --> 01:36:01,040
backyard all the time

2846
01:36:04,310 --> 01:36:02,800
and you know the rumors about these

2847
01:36:06,790 --> 01:36:04,320
flying triangles are that they're

2848
01:36:08,709 --> 01:36:06,800
long-range basically stealth blimps

2849
01:36:10,070 --> 01:36:08,719
uh that i'm not saying that i think that

2850
01:36:11,590 --> 01:36:10,080
that's the answer but

2851
01:36:13,750 --> 01:36:11,600
they probably have a long range and

2852
01:36:16,229 --> 01:36:13,760
they've probably been been deployed

2853
01:36:18,310 --> 01:36:16,239
all over the place for various reasons

2854
01:36:20,470 --> 01:36:18,320
if they're ours and if they're not ours

2855
01:36:22,470 --> 01:36:20,480
then whatever's flying around in

2856
01:36:23,430 --> 01:36:22,480
triangles and waving at us with blinking

2857
01:36:25,669 --> 01:36:23,440
lights and

2858
01:36:27,030 --> 01:36:25,679
and strange phenomenon obviously uh you

2859
01:36:28,790 --> 01:36:27,040
know just why don't you just land

2860
01:36:31,270 --> 01:36:28,800
already get it over with

2861
01:36:32,550 --> 01:36:31,280
yeah that's it the belgium i'm sorry i

2862
01:36:33,750 --> 01:36:32,560
just couldn't think of it the belgium

2863
01:36:35,910 --> 01:36:33,760
triangle that that

2864
01:36:37,750 --> 01:36:35,920
what did they see a thousand witnesses

2865
01:36:40,229 --> 01:36:37,760
earth i forget how many um

2866
01:36:41,189 --> 01:36:40,239
people saw that but thanks uh dave for

2867
01:36:44,390 --> 01:36:41,199
uh pushing that

2868
01:36:45,830 --> 01:36:44,400
out my brain's a little uh uh all these

2869
01:36:47,990 --> 01:36:45,840
people chimed in joe

2870
01:36:50,070 --> 01:36:48,000
you named it john everyone chimed in

2871
01:36:53,270 --> 01:36:50,080
that was the belgium triangles yes

2872
01:36:56,310 --> 01:36:53,280
uh yeah that's another great in an

2873
01:36:58,229 --> 01:36:56,320
interesting case and uh but

2874
01:37:00,070 --> 01:36:58,239
but let's just say we're going back to

2875
01:37:00,790 --> 01:37:00,080
lee spiegel again you know when i popped

2876
01:37:04,070 --> 01:37:00,800
that up

2877
01:37:04,870 --> 01:37:04,080
earlier you know uh what's what's the

2878
01:37:06,550 --> 01:37:04,880
deal of uh

2879
01:37:08,229 --> 01:37:06,560
beaming down the light on everybody and

2880
01:37:09,750 --> 01:37:08,239
scaring the heck out of everyone i i

2881
01:37:11,590 --> 01:37:09,760
just wouldn't understand if it was us

2882
01:37:14,070 --> 01:37:11,600
doing it would we do it to

2883
01:37:15,430 --> 01:37:14,080
ourselves and this thing was showing up

2884
01:37:16,950 --> 01:37:15,440
um in this area

2885
01:37:19,350 --> 01:37:16,960
you know for like weeks at a time and

2886
01:37:21,750 --> 01:37:19,360
then bam it's gone

2887
01:37:23,270 --> 01:37:21,760
you know uh no one sees it again it's

2888
01:37:25,430 --> 01:37:23,280
it's all just

2889
01:37:26,550 --> 01:37:25,440
i mean i'm trying to think of a logic if

2890
01:37:29,350 --> 01:37:26,560
if it was us

2891
01:37:30,390 --> 01:37:29,360
as a government trying to test something

2892
01:37:31,910 --> 01:37:30,400
out would is that

2893
01:37:33,510 --> 01:37:31,920
is that how we well i mean think about

2894
01:37:33,990 --> 01:37:33,520
the rumors of my labs that there's

2895
01:37:35,910 --> 01:37:34,000
entire

2896
01:37:37,350 --> 01:37:35,920
squads of of guys that are out there

2897
01:37:39,350 --> 01:37:37,360
kidnapping people

2898
01:37:41,350 --> 01:37:39,360
disguising themselves as aliens making

2899
01:37:43,109 --> 01:37:41,360
the the whole thing appear to be

2900
01:37:45,109 --> 01:37:43,119
extraterrestrial when really it's part

2901
01:37:45,830 --> 01:37:45,119
of a secret program to experiment on

2902
01:37:48,149 --> 01:37:45,840
people

2903
01:37:49,270 --> 01:37:48,159
who knows there's so many stories and so

2904
01:37:52,470 --> 01:37:49,280
many rumors that

2905
01:37:54,229 --> 01:37:52,480
that all you can do is speculate and

2906
01:37:55,990 --> 01:37:54,239
also you know we're dealing again

2907
01:37:58,709 --> 01:37:56,000
with the fact that we have a very

2908
01:38:01,590 --> 01:37:58,719
interesting nature of reality here

2909
01:38:02,950 --> 01:38:01,600
and what one person sees another person

2910
01:38:04,550 --> 01:38:02,960
might not see what one person

2911
01:38:05,430 --> 01:38:04,560
experiences somebody else might not

2912
01:38:06,709 --> 01:38:05,440
experience

2913
01:38:08,870 --> 01:38:06,719
but that doesn't mean they didn't

2914
01:38:10,390 --> 01:38:08,880
experience it and i think that

2915
01:38:13,109 --> 01:38:10,400
again i'll say it again i think that all

2916
01:38:13,990 --> 01:38:13,119
of this phenomenon is pointing to the

2917
01:38:17,430 --> 01:38:14,000
fact

2918
01:38:19,109 --> 01:38:17,440
that we're in a really strange reality

2919
01:38:20,470 --> 01:38:19,119
and a lot of things are possible a lot

2920
01:38:22,070 --> 01:38:20,480
of things can happen

2921
01:38:24,070 --> 01:38:22,080
and if that if these things are not

2922
01:38:26,229 --> 01:38:24,080
showing us anything else

2923
01:38:28,229 --> 01:38:26,239
they're showing us that i was with a guy

2924
01:38:30,790 --> 01:38:28,239
named michael schratt recently

2925
01:38:31,510 --> 01:38:30,800
oh yeah very very good researcher great

2926
01:38:34,550 --> 01:38:31,520
guy

2927
01:38:37,189 --> 01:38:34,560
and he has collected basically reports

2928
01:38:38,229 --> 01:38:37,199
and built models and and done elaborate

2929
01:38:40,790 --> 01:38:38,239
cad drawings

2930
01:38:42,390 --> 01:38:40,800
of different ufos that that people have

2931
01:38:45,030 --> 01:38:42,400
described over the years

2932
01:38:46,390 --> 01:38:45,040
and he gave me a copy of his files in a

2933
01:38:48,790 --> 01:38:46,400
big blue binder

2934
01:38:49,430 --> 01:38:48,800
and the one thing that just kind of

2935
01:38:52,149 --> 01:38:49,440
struck me

2936
01:38:53,109 --> 01:38:52,159
is that out of hundreds of different

2937
01:38:54,629 --> 01:38:53,119
ships

2938
01:38:56,390 --> 01:38:54,639
there's hardly any two that look the

2939
01:38:57,669 --> 01:38:56,400
same or do the same things

2940
01:38:59,590 --> 01:38:57,679
so you have all these people that have

2941
01:39:02,229 --> 01:38:59,600
had all these these encounters

2942
01:39:04,070 --> 01:39:02,239
but the stories are are very dissimilar

2943
01:39:06,550 --> 01:39:04,080
and the ships are very dissimilar

2944
01:39:08,550 --> 01:39:06,560
the flying triangles is is an example of

2945
01:39:10,709 --> 01:39:08,560
something that has some consistency

2946
01:39:12,950 --> 01:39:10,719
but even those the the descriptions of

2947
01:39:16,070 --> 01:39:12,960
them that there it's never the same

2948
01:39:18,070 --> 01:39:16,080
exact description twice

2949
01:39:19,910 --> 01:39:18,080
interesting um you know i usually

2950
01:39:20,950 --> 01:39:19,920
announce at the end of my show a lot of

2951
01:39:23,189 --> 01:39:20,960
people don't hang in

2952
01:39:25,350 --> 01:39:23,199
for that so i just want to announce that

2953
01:39:28,709 --> 01:39:25,360
uh next

2954
01:39:31,270 --> 01:39:28,719
next week's guest is coming on

2955
01:39:32,149 --> 01:39:31,280
and the person's name it's a woman her

2956
01:39:35,350 --> 01:39:32,159
name is uh

2957
01:39:37,990 --> 01:39:35,360
kaz clark and uh this is a sighting that

2958
01:39:41,189 --> 01:39:38,000
happened in 2016 in wales

2959
01:39:44,149 --> 01:39:41,199
the uk and it's called the pentrich uh

2960
01:39:45,189 --> 01:39:44,159
pentrich like uh uh i guess it's a

2961
01:39:47,750 --> 01:39:45,199
five-shaped

2962
01:39:49,350 --> 01:39:47,760
object ufo incident that happened there

2963
01:39:53,270 --> 01:39:49,360
in 2016.

2964
01:39:54,870 --> 01:39:53,280
um so uh yeah that's that's another

2965
01:39:56,870 --> 01:39:54,880
strange thing when you talk about you

2966
01:40:00,470 --> 01:39:56,880
know the the poly

2967
01:40:01,669 --> 01:40:00,480
polygon sides of these not always uh

2968
01:40:05,189 --> 01:40:01,679
triangular but

2969
01:40:06,629 --> 01:40:05,199
you know there are some odd shaped um

2970
01:40:08,870 --> 01:40:06,639
you know things that people are seeing

2971
01:40:12,310 --> 01:40:08,880
i've talked to people that have seen box

2972
01:40:15,910 --> 01:40:12,320
shaped you know uh ufo

2973
01:40:17,830 --> 01:40:15,920
acting in bizarre cases you know

2974
01:40:18,950 --> 01:40:17,840
and it kind of almost makes me think you

2975
01:40:21,109 --> 01:40:18,960
know maybe you're right

2976
01:40:22,390 --> 01:40:21,119
when we don't we don't really know what

2977
01:40:24,790 --> 01:40:22,400
reality is

2978
01:40:25,910 --> 01:40:24,800
because there's so many strange things

2979
01:40:27,590 --> 01:40:25,920
that people have seen

2980
01:40:30,790 --> 01:40:27,600
over the years that just don't make any

2981
01:40:33,030 --> 01:40:30,800
sense i think at the end of the day

2982
01:40:35,030 --> 01:40:33,040
one of the keys to unraveling all of

2983
01:40:36,229 --> 01:40:35,040
this is going to be under getting a

2984
01:40:37,189 --> 01:40:36,239
better understanding of our own

2985
01:40:39,910 --> 01:40:37,199
perceptions

2986
01:40:42,310 --> 01:40:39,920
how they work and really starting to

2987
01:40:45,030 --> 01:40:42,320
understand things about the mechanics

2988
01:40:46,550 --> 01:40:45,040
of physics and the mechanics of our

2989
01:40:49,350 --> 01:40:46,560
actual physical reality

2990
01:40:50,550 --> 01:40:49,360
that we don't understand now and some of

2991
01:40:53,669 --> 01:40:50,560
these phenomena

2992
01:40:54,070 --> 01:40:53,679
are going to be revealed to be part of a

2993
01:40:59,830 --> 01:40:54,080
much

2994
01:41:00,470 --> 01:40:59,840
yeah that that's interesting it you know

2995
01:41:02,629 --> 01:41:00,480
i mean

2996
01:41:05,510 --> 01:41:02,639
it's funny as i talk to people like you

2997
01:41:07,750 --> 01:41:05,520
and you know other guests on this show

2998
01:41:08,709 --> 01:41:07,760
along the way and and never it never

2999
01:41:10,229 --> 01:41:08,719
gets old

3000
01:41:12,229 --> 01:41:10,239
you know i've been doing this this shows

3001
01:41:13,030 --> 01:41:12,239
coming up on 10 years now in just a few

3002
01:41:15,590 --> 01:41:13,040
months

3003
01:41:16,790 --> 01:41:15,600
and uh it just it it seems like there

3004
01:41:19,750 --> 01:41:16,800
are so many

3005
01:41:20,790 --> 01:41:19,760
people that have viewpoints we haven't

3006
01:41:22,229 --> 01:41:20,800
found the answer

3007
01:41:24,149 --> 01:41:22,239
i don't think that we're going to find

3008
01:41:26,870 --> 01:41:24,159
the answer anytime soon

3009
01:41:28,390 --> 01:41:26,880
but it's just interesting to hear so

3010
01:41:30,870 --> 01:41:28,400
many different minds

3011
01:41:32,790 --> 01:41:30,880
having different viewpoints and at the

3012
01:41:34,629 --> 01:41:32,800
end of the day that speaks to what

3013
01:41:37,430 --> 01:41:34,639
kind of what i just said there is

3014
01:41:38,950 --> 01:41:37,440
probably we're gonna find there's no one

3015
01:41:41,189 --> 01:41:38,960
answer to everything we're living in a

3016
01:41:43,830 --> 01:41:41,199
flexible malleable

3017
01:41:44,870 --> 01:41:43,840
uh system that allows for a lot of

3018
01:41:48,229 --> 01:41:44,880
different things

3019
01:41:51,510 --> 01:41:48,239
that we don't quite understand right

3020
01:41:53,830 --> 01:41:51,520
right and um you know i mean you

3021
01:41:54,870 --> 01:41:53,840
you you know you talk about all the

3022
01:41:57,830 --> 01:41:54,880
different

3023
01:41:59,030 --> 01:41:57,840
uh theories that could be and then you

3024
01:42:02,550 --> 01:41:59,040
can get into things

3025
01:42:05,669 --> 01:42:02,560
like um you know a different dimensional

3026
01:42:08,550 --> 01:42:05,679
situation you know people uh

3027
01:42:10,229 --> 01:42:08,560
talk about that aspect as well um and

3028
01:42:12,550 --> 01:42:10,239
then time travel there's

3029
01:42:14,629 --> 01:42:12,560
people have good really solid good

3030
01:42:17,109 --> 01:42:14,639
arguments for all types

3031
01:42:18,709 --> 01:42:17,119
of things that could be happening well

3032
01:42:19,510 --> 01:42:18,719
look let's look at what physics already

3033
01:42:22,550 --> 01:42:19,520
knows

3034
01:42:25,830 --> 01:42:22,560
about the nature of this universe

3035
01:42:26,870 --> 01:42:25,840
okay we already know that that desk

3036
01:42:29,430 --> 01:42:26,880
you're sitting at

3037
01:42:31,189 --> 01:42:29,440
is nothing but energy vibrating at a

3038
01:42:32,229 --> 01:42:31,199
certain frequency to create the illusion

3039
01:42:34,070 --> 01:42:32,239
of matter

3040
01:42:35,990 --> 01:42:34,080
okay we know that your brain is

3041
01:42:38,149 --> 01:42:36,000
instrumental in interpreting that just

3042
01:42:40,229 --> 01:42:38,159
like you're interpreting code

3043
01:42:42,390 --> 01:42:40,239
we know that the entire universe

3044
01:42:43,830 --> 01:42:42,400
functions on very basic algorithms and

3045
01:42:46,870 --> 01:42:43,840
mathematics

3046
01:42:47,830 --> 01:42:46,880
so basically we already know that it's a

3047
01:42:50,550 --> 01:42:47,840
program

3048
01:42:52,310 --> 01:42:50,560
now how you choose to look at that you

3049
01:42:54,229 --> 01:42:52,320
could say well

3050
01:42:55,430 --> 01:42:54,239
a program resembles the way reality

3051
01:42:57,590 --> 01:42:55,440
works or reality

3052
01:42:59,750 --> 01:42:57,600
resembles the way a program works but at

3053
01:43:02,070 --> 01:42:59,760
the end of the day it's the same stuff

3054
01:43:03,830 --> 01:43:02,080
if you can unplug yourself from the idea

3055
01:43:05,510 --> 01:43:03,840
that you know we're some kind of

3056
01:43:07,109 --> 01:43:05,520
we're in some kind of a computer like a

3057
01:43:09,109 --> 01:43:07,119
quantum computer or whatever but you

3058
01:43:11,590 --> 01:43:09,119
look at the fabric of reality

3059
01:43:13,510 --> 01:43:11,600
functioning the same way basically that

3060
01:43:17,430 --> 01:43:13,520
a computer game functions

3061
01:43:19,430 --> 01:43:17,440
then it it really

3062
01:43:20,470 --> 01:43:19,440
makes it easier to understand that if

3063
01:43:22,709 --> 01:43:20,480
you're in a simulation

3064
01:43:25,189 --> 01:43:22,719
any of these things can be happening and

3065
01:43:26,070 --> 01:43:25,199
we don't know why we're in a simulation

3066
01:43:28,870 --> 01:43:26,080
but

3067
01:43:30,390 --> 01:43:28,880
we're beginning to puzzle our way into

3068
01:43:33,350 --> 01:43:30,400
the realization that yes

3069
01:43:34,149 --> 01:43:33,360
reality functions just like a simulation

3070
01:43:37,830 --> 01:43:34,159
therefore

3071
01:43:40,470 --> 01:43:37,840
maybe it is right yeah i've watched i

3072
01:43:43,270 --> 01:43:40,480
watch a lot of uh documentaries where uh

3073
01:43:44,070 --> 01:43:43,280
jamal khalali i think uh that's uh his

3074
01:43:47,189 --> 01:43:44,080
name

3075
01:43:49,109 --> 01:43:47,199
and uh he does talk about how uh you

3076
01:43:51,030 --> 01:43:49,119
know matter is so puzzling and when you

3077
01:43:54,070 --> 01:43:51,040
get into quantum physics

3078
01:43:55,669 --> 01:43:54,080
how difficult it is to explain you know

3079
01:43:57,750 --> 01:43:55,679
what you're talking about the vibrating

3080
01:44:01,430 --> 01:43:57,760
particles that actually

3081
01:44:04,310 --> 01:44:01,440
you know nothing is it's just so hard

3082
01:44:05,270 --> 01:44:04,320
none of it is really here it it it you

3083
01:44:08,709 --> 01:44:05,280
know

3084
01:44:11,910 --> 01:44:08,719
the the the core of of everything

3085
01:44:13,030 --> 01:44:11,920
is energy there is there is nothing all

3086
01:44:15,350 --> 01:44:13,040
comes forth from that

3087
01:44:16,950 --> 01:44:15,360
in temporary illusion and if you look

3088
01:44:18,629 --> 01:44:16,960
back to the most ancient teachings of

3089
01:44:21,669 --> 01:44:18,639
almost all the world's religions and

3090
01:44:23,669 --> 01:44:21,679
and sages going back as far as history

3091
01:44:24,709 --> 01:44:23,679
it's acknowledged that we're in an

3092
01:44:28,870 --> 01:44:24,719
illusion

3093
01:44:30,390 --> 01:44:28,880
and so as we explore the ufo phenomenon

3094
01:44:32,310 --> 01:44:30,400
and as we look for the answers and we

3095
01:44:33,669 --> 01:44:32,320
say well maybe they're you know from

3096
01:44:36,470 --> 01:44:33,679
zeta reticuli

3097
01:44:38,070 --> 01:44:36,480
whatever we need to be understanding

3098
01:44:38,950 --> 01:44:38,080
that there's a bigger picture being

3099
01:44:42,149 --> 01:44:38,960
shown to us

3100
01:44:45,189 --> 01:44:42,159
by this and

3101
01:44:45,669 --> 01:44:45,199
doing the micro dissecting about you

3102
01:44:47,030 --> 01:44:45,679
know

3103
01:44:49,270 --> 01:44:47,040
are they from here are they from another

3104
01:44:50,790 --> 01:44:49,280
dimension well if we're in a simulation

3105
01:44:52,629 --> 01:44:50,800
what is another dimension it's

3106
01:44:54,390 --> 01:44:52,639
probably another simulation or it's part

3107
01:44:55,510 --> 01:44:54,400
of this one that we just haven't

3108
01:44:58,629 --> 01:44:55,520
discovered yet

3109
01:44:59,590 --> 01:44:58,639
um at the end of the day the the answer

3110
01:45:01,990 --> 01:44:59,600
to all of this

3111
01:45:03,910 --> 01:45:02,000
is going to shed a whole lot of light on

3112
01:45:07,270 --> 01:45:03,920
things that people are not connecting

3113
01:45:11,270 --> 01:45:07,280
right now right right

3114
01:45:14,070 --> 01:45:11,280
um so yeah that whole aspect

3115
01:45:17,669 --> 01:45:14,080
is is just you know you seem like a

3116
01:45:20,310 --> 01:45:17,679
person that does a lot of thinking

3117
01:45:21,910 --> 01:45:20,320
yeah because i i have nothing else to do

3118
01:45:23,990 --> 01:45:21,920
[Laughter]

3119
01:45:25,750 --> 01:45:24,000
yeah i find when i'm doing things like

3120
01:45:29,109 --> 01:45:25,760
painting or whatever i'm doing

3121
01:45:31,590 --> 01:45:29,119
um you know i tend to try to i tend to

3122
01:45:32,550 --> 01:45:31,600
think real deep thoughts about about

3123
01:45:34,950 --> 01:45:32,560
reality i mean

3124
01:45:37,189 --> 01:45:34,960
when you hear about if you took all the

3125
01:45:38,870 --> 01:45:37,199
space out of every atom in your body or

3126
01:45:40,629 --> 01:45:38,880
you know you'd be on i don't know how

3127
01:45:42,149 --> 01:45:40,639
many people would fit on a pinhead but

3128
01:45:44,390 --> 01:45:42,159
you know quite a few

3129
01:45:45,910 --> 01:45:44,400
uh you know it's amazing back when i

3130
01:45:48,229 --> 01:45:45,920
first got into video

3131
01:45:49,430 --> 01:45:48,239
i was uh i remember this was a turning

3132
01:45:53,030 --> 01:45:49,440
point in my life i was

3133
01:45:55,109 --> 01:45:53,040
in florida and i was hired by mtv

3134
01:45:56,629 --> 01:45:55,119
spring break people and the girls got

3135
01:45:58,070 --> 01:45:56,639
wild people were there it was in spring

3136
01:45:59,830 --> 01:45:58,080
break it was panama city

3137
01:46:02,070 --> 01:45:59,840
it was just a wild ruckus party with

3138
01:46:02,870 --> 01:46:02,080
video cameras and i remember i came back

3139
01:46:04,550 --> 01:46:02,880
from that

3140
01:46:06,310 --> 01:46:04,560
uh you know i had a production company

3141
01:46:08,070 --> 01:46:06,320
in in florida that was my first one i

3142
01:46:08,950 --> 01:46:08,080
bought joe scarborough's old recording

3143
01:46:11,350 --> 01:46:08,960
studio

3144
01:46:12,870 --> 01:46:11,360
and um and turned it into a video

3145
01:46:14,950 --> 01:46:12,880
production house too

3146
01:46:16,629 --> 01:46:14,960
but um i came back and i was like i was

3147
01:46:18,310 --> 01:46:16,639
just empty and i didn't want to do i'm

3148
01:46:19,430 --> 01:46:18,320
like this isn't why i got into video

3149
01:46:21,590 --> 01:46:19,440
production

3150
01:46:24,229 --> 01:46:21,600
and i found an article by peter gersten

3151
01:46:26,070 --> 01:46:24,239
about uh in ufo magazine about the

3152
01:46:26,790 --> 01:46:26,080
reality of our reality and it was all

3153
01:46:28,390 --> 01:46:26,800
about how

3154
01:46:30,870 --> 01:46:28,400
you know maybe it's a simulation blah

3155
01:46:33,590 --> 01:46:30,880
blah and this was you know 30 years ago

3156
01:46:34,070 --> 01:46:33,600
and it fascinated me and the topic of my

3157
01:46:36,629 --> 01:46:34,080
work

3158
01:46:37,910 --> 01:46:36,639
ever since then has been nature reality

3159
01:46:41,109 --> 01:46:37,920
life after death

3160
01:46:42,550 --> 01:46:41,119
at the et question because it it kind of

3161
01:46:44,390 --> 01:46:42,560
blows me away that people don't spend

3162
01:46:45,830 --> 01:46:44,400
more time contemplating these things you

3163
01:46:48,310 --> 01:46:45,840
know we're only here for a blink of an

3164
01:46:49,750 --> 01:46:48,320
eye and there's a reason we're here and

3165
01:46:53,270 --> 01:46:49,760
i like to believe that there is

3166
01:46:55,830 --> 01:46:53,280
something that we graduate here

3167
01:46:57,430 --> 01:46:55,840
to go do and so it's really easy to get

3168
01:47:00,709 --> 01:46:57,440
distracted in the minutia

3169
01:47:02,149 --> 01:47:00,719
of this place but it surprises me that

3170
01:47:04,070 --> 01:47:02,159
people don't spend more time thinking

3171
01:47:07,510 --> 01:47:04,080
about this stuff

3172
01:47:08,470 --> 01:47:07,520
right right um i had uh rafe fernandez

3173
01:47:10,709 --> 01:47:08,480
on the show

3174
01:47:12,390 --> 01:47:10,719
quite a while ago but uh someone wanted

3175
01:47:13,270 --> 01:47:12,400
to know what your thoughts were on the

3176
01:47:16,310 --> 01:47:13,280
edcom

3177
01:47:17,750 --> 01:47:16,320
mitchell institute and uh how ray is

3178
01:47:19,510 --> 01:47:17,760
doing

3179
01:47:22,149 --> 01:47:19,520
you know i worked with ray a lot when

3180
01:47:24,149 --> 01:47:22,159
the uh when he first founded free

3181
01:47:25,830 --> 01:47:24,159
um we were working together on a film

3182
01:47:27,590 --> 01:47:25,840
project and i helped him develop his

3183
01:47:28,229 --> 01:47:27,600
materials and stuff to go out and pitch

3184
01:47:30,390 --> 01:47:28,239
it

3185
01:47:31,669 --> 01:47:30,400
i was going to be producing the film in

3186
01:47:32,950 --> 01:47:31,679
the beginning but i had some other

3187
01:47:34,070 --> 01:47:32,960
things come up and they didn't really

3188
01:47:35,590 --> 01:47:34,080
have it together

3189
01:47:37,350 --> 01:47:35,600
uh to the point where i could jump in

3190
01:47:39,270 --> 01:47:37,360
and start

3191
01:47:41,350 --> 01:47:39,280
i spent a lot of time with ray talking

3192
01:47:43,910 --> 01:47:41,360
about free they put out the book

3193
01:47:46,310 --> 01:47:43,920
um which is the result of their research

3194
01:47:48,070 --> 01:47:46,320
and ray is one of the guys out there

3195
01:47:50,149 --> 01:47:48,080
uh him and rudy shields and the people

3196
01:47:51,669 --> 01:47:50,159
back him up that really

3197
01:47:53,189 --> 01:47:51,679
are saying that all these things are

3198
01:47:55,510 --> 01:47:53,199
connected and so

3199
01:47:56,470 --> 01:47:55,520
it was ray who kind of opened my eyes to

3200
01:47:58,950 --> 01:47:56,480
yeah what is

3201
01:47:59,910 --> 01:47:58,960
that they if they are all connected how

3202
01:48:03,750 --> 01:47:59,920
and why

3203
01:48:05,750 --> 01:48:03,760
because if you say uh you know like ufos

3204
01:48:07,590 --> 01:48:05,760
near-death experiences angelic

3205
01:48:09,030 --> 01:48:07,600
encounters and abductions if you say

3206
01:48:11,990 --> 01:48:09,040
those are all connected

3207
01:48:12,470 --> 01:48:12,000
it's really hard to understand how and

3208
01:48:14,390 --> 01:48:12,480
why

3209
01:48:15,910 --> 01:48:14,400
they would all be connected until you

3210
01:48:17,430 --> 01:48:15,920
realize that it's not that the

3211
01:48:18,790 --> 01:48:17,440
phenomenon themselves

3212
01:48:21,430 --> 01:48:18,800
are connected like they're all coming

3213
01:48:24,390 --> 01:48:21,440
from the same source for the same reason

3214
01:48:27,830 --> 01:48:24,400
but the mechanisms under which they work

3215
01:48:30,229 --> 01:48:27,840
in relation to the mechanisms of reality

3216
01:48:31,990 --> 01:48:30,239
those are connected and ray and his

3217
01:48:35,030 --> 01:48:32,000
group are the people that put that

3218
01:48:37,510 --> 01:48:35,040
on the table and it really hasn't

3219
01:48:38,870 --> 01:48:37,520
found the mainstream audience because i

3220
01:48:41,910 --> 01:48:38,880
don't think it's been explained

3221
01:48:44,709 --> 01:48:41,920
as as well as it could be but yeah ray

3222
01:48:46,629 --> 01:48:44,719
and his group did some amazing work

3223
01:48:48,310 --> 01:48:46,639
now what about um i'm probably going to

3224
01:48:49,109 --> 01:48:48,320
open a can of worms by asking this

3225
01:48:52,629 --> 01:48:49,119
question

3226
01:48:54,070 --> 01:48:52,639
i don't want to make anybody else mad

3227
01:48:55,750 --> 01:48:54,080
you know it's like i didn't i didn't

3228
01:48:58,229 --> 01:48:55,760
mean to take somebody off

3229
01:48:58,950 --> 01:48:58,239
oh no no i'm talking about the uh the

3230
01:49:01,270 --> 01:48:58,960
wilson

3231
01:49:02,629 --> 01:49:01,280
memo or whatever came out of supposedly

3232
01:49:05,750 --> 01:49:02,639
came out of um

3233
01:49:09,109 --> 01:49:05,760
uh edgar mitchell's estate and uh

3234
01:49:11,590 --> 01:49:09,119
from an australian researcher and uh

3235
01:49:12,470 --> 01:49:11,600
first uh obtained that uh supposed

3236
01:49:15,189 --> 01:49:12,480
document

3237
01:49:15,750 --> 01:49:15,199
that i think uh as far as i know there

3238
01:49:19,669 --> 01:49:15,760
there's

3239
01:49:22,149 --> 01:49:19,679
really sure you know i'm kind of

3240
01:49:23,910 --> 01:49:22,159
uh haven't it's an interesting document

3241
01:49:24,709 --> 01:49:23,920
um it's not any kind of official

3242
01:49:26,870 --> 01:49:24,719
document it's

3243
01:49:29,270 --> 01:49:26,880
notes from a meeting and one of the

3244
01:49:30,709 --> 01:49:29,280
people in that meeting denies that the

3245
01:49:33,990 --> 01:49:30,719
meeting ever took place

3246
01:49:36,390 --> 01:49:34,000
so um the fact that edgar had it in his

3247
01:49:37,589 --> 01:49:36,400
files and he never shared it you know

3248
01:49:41,270 --> 01:49:37,599
probably speaks

3249
01:49:43,910 --> 01:49:41,280
to that a little bit edgar was pretty

3250
01:49:46,629 --> 01:49:43,920
good about telling what he knew

3251
01:49:48,550 --> 01:49:46,639
yeah yeah i mean that that that's a good

3252
01:49:50,709 --> 01:49:48,560
point right there that uh

3253
01:49:52,149 --> 01:49:50,719
that no one has really addressed too

3254
01:49:54,229 --> 01:49:52,159
much you know why didn't he come out

3255
01:49:56,629 --> 01:49:54,239
with if it was so important because

3256
01:49:58,070 --> 01:49:56,639
you're right he was uh he was more or

3257
01:50:00,149 --> 01:49:58,080
less an open book about

3258
01:50:01,750 --> 01:50:00,159
the things that he knew i interviewed

3259
01:50:04,790 --> 01:50:01,760
edgar several

3260
01:50:05,350 --> 01:50:04,800
two times that i can remember um and it

3261
01:50:09,189 --> 01:50:05,360
i was always

3262
01:50:11,669 --> 01:50:09,199
discussions because i used to ask edgar

3263
01:50:12,229 --> 01:50:11,679
how did it feel when you walked on the

3264
01:50:14,870 --> 01:50:12,239
moon

3265
01:50:15,910 --> 01:50:14,880
and it seemed like he would grapple with

3266
01:50:18,229 --> 01:50:15,920
that a little bit

3267
01:50:19,430 --> 01:50:18,239
and so you know i always wondered if

3268
01:50:21,350 --> 01:50:19,440
he'd gone through some sort of

3269
01:50:23,350 --> 01:50:21,360
debriefing or some sort of something to

3270
01:50:25,109 --> 01:50:23,360
kind of

3271
01:50:28,390 --> 01:50:25,119
had an effect on him about how his

3272
01:50:30,629 --> 01:50:28,400
emotions associated with his experience

3273
01:50:31,430 --> 01:50:30,639
yeah i posted a interview i did with uh

3274
01:50:34,470 --> 01:50:31,440
alan bean

3275
01:50:37,669 --> 01:50:34,480
he was the sixth man on the moon and

3276
01:50:39,109 --> 01:50:37,679
uh basically uh uh my interview with him

3277
01:50:40,870 --> 01:50:39,119
was about his artwork

3278
01:50:42,709 --> 01:50:40,880
but i still posted on this channel i

3279
01:50:44,629 --> 01:50:42,719
don't know maybe a month or two ago

3280
01:50:45,910 --> 01:50:44,639
uh because i thought it was interesting

3281
01:50:47,830 --> 01:50:45,920
what he talked about

3282
01:50:48,950 --> 01:50:47,840
what it was like being on the moon and

3283
01:50:50,629 --> 01:50:48,960
just trusting that

3284
01:50:52,390 --> 01:50:50,639
you know all these people did their part

3285
01:50:55,350 --> 01:50:52,400
in making you know his

3286
01:50:56,709 --> 01:50:55,360
his uh suit his spacesuit and you know

3287
01:50:57,750 --> 01:50:56,719
it wasn't going to have a leak and you

3288
01:50:58,629 --> 01:50:57,760
know he thought about all these

3289
01:51:00,870 --> 01:50:58,639
different things

3290
01:51:01,990 --> 01:51:00,880
but he just did the task that was at

3291
01:51:03,830 --> 01:51:02,000
hand even though

3292
01:51:05,109 --> 01:51:03,840
he'd look up and see the you know the

3293
01:51:06,950 --> 01:51:05,119
big blue marble

3294
01:51:08,390 --> 01:51:06,960
and realized that he was not you know he

3295
01:51:10,070 --> 01:51:08,400
was not standing on it

3296
01:51:11,430 --> 01:51:10,080
that's exactly right you know the

3297
01:51:14,310 --> 01:51:11,440
training took over

3298
01:51:14,950 --> 01:51:14,320
is is what they say yeah yeah that's

3299
01:51:17,830 --> 01:51:14,960
right

3300
01:51:18,550 --> 01:51:17,840
and uh it's amazing if you think about

3301
01:51:22,709 --> 01:51:18,560
when that

3302
01:51:23,750 --> 01:51:22,719
was 1969 that we actually landed on the

3303
01:51:26,229 --> 01:51:23,760
moon with

3304
01:51:28,390 --> 01:51:26,239
i think it's technology that is the key

3305
01:51:30,950 --> 01:51:28,400
fob in your

3306
01:51:32,390 --> 01:51:30,960
you know on your car starter you know

3307
01:51:33,990 --> 01:51:32,400
your car alarm

3308
01:51:36,790 --> 01:51:34,000
had had the same you know type of

3309
01:51:37,510 --> 01:51:36,800
technology as far as the advancement of

3310
01:51:40,390 --> 01:51:37,520
it and uh

3311
01:51:40,870 --> 01:51:40,400
that we could actually do that and and

3312
01:51:42,709 --> 01:51:40,880
make it

3313
01:51:43,990 --> 01:51:42,719
and come back i think that's just

3314
01:51:45,830 --> 01:51:44,000
totally amazing with

3315
01:51:48,470 --> 01:51:45,840
what we had at the time and why we

3316
01:51:50,550 --> 01:51:48,480
haven't gone there since that's

3317
01:51:52,790 --> 01:51:50,560
a bizarre thing and that can open up to

3318
01:51:56,709 --> 01:51:52,800
uh a lot of conspiracies

3319
01:52:00,070 --> 01:51:56,719
what are we seeing like my backdrop died

3320
01:52:01,030 --> 01:52:00,080
oh is that what it is okay well that's

3321
01:52:03,990 --> 01:52:01,040
good because we

3322
01:52:04,629 --> 01:52:04,000
i guess i guess the big tv went to sleep

3323
01:52:05,910 --> 01:52:04,639
yeah

3324
01:52:09,510 --> 01:52:05,920
hopefully hopefully the same thing

3325
01:52:13,189 --> 01:52:10,709
that's why i was telling everyone who

3326
01:52:16,310 --> 01:52:13,199
the guest was next week just in case

3327
01:52:17,830 --> 01:52:16,320
um so uh let's see where can someone uh

3328
01:52:18,870 --> 01:52:17,840
find you if they want to look at your

3329
01:52:22,550 --> 01:52:18,880
material again

3330
01:52:23,910 --> 01:52:22,560
put that out there if you would sure um

3331
01:52:26,390 --> 01:52:23,920
most of the original stuff that i've

3332
01:52:28,589 --> 01:52:26,400
been doing lately is on mufon television

3333
01:52:29,990 --> 01:52:28,599
a lot of it is free you can go to

3334
01:52:31,430 --> 01:52:30,000
mufontelevision.com and

3335
01:52:33,830 --> 01:52:31,440
click on some of the links on the front

3336
01:52:34,629 --> 01:52:33,840
page some of it is behind a paywall but

3337
01:52:37,030 --> 01:52:34,639
there's

3338
01:52:38,070 --> 01:52:37,040
certainly a lot of free stuff too and

3339
01:52:41,589 --> 01:52:38,080
then i've got the

3340
01:52:42,950 --> 01:52:41,599
mufon 2021 symposium coming up military

3341
01:52:44,550 --> 01:52:42,960
and government witnesses

3342
01:52:45,990 --> 01:52:44,560
are going to gather in las vegas and

3343
01:52:46,629 --> 01:52:46,000
tell us a few things we don't already

3344
01:52:48,070 --> 01:52:46,639
know

3345
01:52:49,990 --> 01:52:48,080
and so you can get a subscription to

3346
01:52:53,109 --> 01:52:50,000
mufon tv uh

3347
01:52:53,589 --> 01:52:53,119
and access to that live stream um all

3348
01:52:56,149 --> 01:52:53,599
for

3349
01:52:57,990 --> 01:52:56,159
a pretty reasonable price and so there's

3350
01:53:00,629 --> 01:52:58,000
a lot of free stuff that i give away

3351
01:53:02,229 --> 01:53:00,639
but i do have to pay the bills just like

3352
01:53:03,510 --> 01:53:02,239
everybody else so there's some stuff

3353
01:53:05,669 --> 01:53:03,520
that is exclusive

3354
01:53:07,030 --> 01:53:05,679
but um that's where i'm at now and then

3355
01:53:10,229 --> 01:53:07,040
my show on amazon

3356
01:53:12,790 --> 01:53:10,239
uh bigger questions whole season of

3357
01:53:15,589 --> 01:53:12,800
interviews with the luminaries in the

3358
01:53:17,350 --> 01:53:15,599
ufo field you can catch those there

3359
01:53:19,109 --> 01:53:17,360
and you can also catch them on youtube

3360
01:53:20,390 --> 01:53:19,119
if you just google ron james bigger

3361
01:53:23,510 --> 01:53:20,400
questions

3362
01:53:26,149 --> 01:53:23,520
there's a lot of stuff okay and

3363
01:53:26,709 --> 01:53:26,159
when do you when is that one that

3364
01:53:30,470 --> 01:53:26,719
interview

3365
01:53:31,430 --> 01:53:30,480
itself when is that one gonna air

3366
01:53:33,430 --> 01:53:31,440
exactly

3367
01:53:35,109 --> 01:53:33,440
i'm gonna do an exclusive showing of it

3368
01:53:36,470 --> 01:53:35,119
at the symposium and for the people who

3369
01:53:37,990 --> 01:53:36,480
bought the live stream

3370
01:53:39,589 --> 01:53:38,000
and then after that we're gonna decide

3371
01:53:41,350 --> 01:53:39,599
if we're gonna take it out and and make

3372
01:53:43,750 --> 01:53:41,360
it more public

3373
01:53:44,870 --> 01:53:43,760
i see you know i really i have to make

3374
01:53:46,950 --> 01:53:44,880
sure that

3375
01:53:48,709 --> 01:53:46,960
uh that a lot of the stuff that's in

3376
01:53:50,149 --> 01:53:48,719
there um

3377
01:53:51,589 --> 01:53:50,159
it's my interview i can do whatever i

3378
01:53:53,030 --> 01:53:51,599
want to with it but i also have to

3379
01:53:56,149 --> 01:53:53,040
protect the people

3380
01:53:59,030 --> 01:53:56,159
that may have slipped of the tongue

3381
01:53:59,750 --> 01:53:59,040
when they were being interviewed okay

3382
01:54:01,589 --> 01:53:59,760
all right ron

3383
01:54:03,750 --> 01:54:01,599
thanks so much it was great talking to

3384
01:54:06,070 --> 01:54:03,760
you tonight thanks martin and i'll let

3385
01:54:09,109 --> 01:54:06,080
you know if anything new pops up that uh

3386
01:54:12,229 --> 01:54:09,119
is worthy of a appearance all right

3387
01:54:14,470 --> 01:54:12,239
excellent you take care thanks thank you

3388
01:54:15,750 --> 01:54:14,480
all right everyone so again uh next week

3389
01:54:18,870 --> 01:54:15,760
we have kaz

3390
01:54:19,910 --> 01:54:18,880
clark on uh to talk about uh that ufo

3391
01:54:23,910 --> 01:54:19,920
incident back in

3392
01:54:26,950 --> 01:54:23,920
2016 again i want to thank everyone for

3393
01:54:28,950 --> 01:54:26,960
hanging in tonight with us and we'll see

3394
01:54:42,070 --> 01:54:28,960
you next week remember to keep your eyes